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I just started playing 40K, and I decided I want to play CSM. With the possible revisions coming up, is it safe to buy an army now, or should I wait? For example, I don't want to buy 4 boxes of Khorne Berzerkers only to have them outdated, because the new ones come with jump packs.

It is a danger, however old models are acceptable to be used, you may just have a want or need for some new models that aren't released. Start with what you like and go from there.

You'd probably be safe picking up a few boxes of the common troops and HQs. There are rumours of new bezerkers with jump packs, but that will probably be an upgrade, like you can have Assault marines in rhino's or with jump packs, so I would think Bezerkers are a safe buy as well.

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I honestly can't think of a singular unit that might be removed. Any sort of standard SM type model will likely always serve a purpose.

I hope oblits stay in the book..

And even if they dont stay the same, they can become more rare to sell lol like those damn OOP Deamonettes :/ so expensive now.

AtomicEngineer wrote:And even if they dont stay the same, they can become more rare to sell lol like those damn OOP Deamonettes :/ so expensive now.

Are the Diaz Daemonettes really worth something now? A guy recently tried to sell me a shoebox full of those things...

Well, a new Chaos Dreadnought is a given, so I wouldn't invent in the 1995 vintage metal version. Rumours suggest new Berserkers and Raptors, the former of which I'd trust more than the latter, since the Berserkers are a bit daft-looking, while the Raptors look okay and were recently "upgraded" to Finecast. That said, there has also been talk of plastic Plague Marines (possibly in the new starter box) which have just been Finecasted. Rumour also promises a new Abaddon without a Napoleon complex, which is highly plausible.

Common sense suggests Havocs (an ancient kit) and Obliterators (a horrid sculpt) both of which are still metal should both be replaced. The antique metal sorcerers (actually rather nice sculpts, but now 16 years old) will, I suspect, be on the way out too. I wouldn't be surprised to see new versions of the rest of the 2nd edition special characters (goodbye Kharn, Fabius Bile and Ahriman) as well, since the scuplts are showing their age. Of course if any of these get the finecast treatment in the next few months, it's probably a signal that they'll be staying.

Other than that, I'd expect the present line to remain current; updating the Chaos Marines and Terminators would require updating practically the whole line, nor has there been anything to suggest Noise Marines or Thousand Sons will change - though Forge World supposedly have Rubric Terminators on the way.

Itd be nice having warsmiths again

Havocs need an upgrade as do raptors i think.

I would think they would keep the chaos marines the same.
Maybe some more demonic vehicles, lighter ones like Chaos landspeeders.

From what it sounds like, I don't know if I could buy an effective army. Maybe Rhinos, marines, a Daemon Prince, and Plague Marines. Perhaps I should wait, and build a different army for now.

Or start building/painting stuff that you will want anyways like Rhinos, marines, demon princes and such as building and painting these models takes a while and just adding a few options with a new release can be fun.

runmymouth wrote:Or start building/painting stuff that you will want anyways like Rhinos, marines, demon princes and such as building and painting these models takes a while and just adding a few options with a new release can be fun.

True. My friends are dropping money on 2000 point armies though, so I kind of want to do the same.

All the core stuff is safe. Any models you like will still be usable-I can't see them throwing anything out, as it's all still valuable. That said, I love my CSM and keep buying for the army, even though I know it'll be outdated. Just bought a box of havocs and raptors even-conversion possibilities? Maybe. Used as is? Sure. Get what you like-I've been buying up DROVES of old, OOP Noise Marines because I like them better than new ones. Go wild with what you like.

buy whatever you feel like good to start now than competeing with other players restarting thier chaos marines because they traded/sold them earlier. from what i read on the rumors thread everything is staying, though if wanting specific leigon heck if we really are getting bezerkers with jump packs i already have 8 the only thing you shouldnt model are icon bearers, unless its a personal icon buy the end if this month i will have 4 squads of thousand sons and 2 squads of noise marines, no matter what changes a chaos marine with either a bolter or pistol/ccw combo will stay the same theoreticly i already have over 60 plus regular guys if i feilded them as regular marines

6th ed is right around the corner too, but that doesn't stop me from buying lots of stuff I like and want. Granted I am building the new crons so lots of brand new models. Lots of them may not be as usable or more usable in the new codex.

Heck get some gaurdsmen as well, no doubt on of the leigons will have some form of cultist or likewise you can use.

crash462 wrote:From what it sounds like, I don't know if I could buy an effective army. Maybe Rhinos, marines, a Daemon Prince, and Plague Marines. Perhaps I should wait, and build a different army for now.

Marines in rhinos is a great foundation for any army. Daemon Princes are also a good HQ choice. You could probably just build a basic force over the next few months with that, then when the codex comes out you'll already have the basics down with plenty of room for the more esoteric new stuff.

Your kinda safe with most Chaos stuff as they wont stray too far from the marine look, so things like Rhinos and such might only get some spare part upgrades.

If you use a condom when you buy them, yes!

Fabius isn't bad, Kharn and Arhiman are kinda underwhelming though. You probably can't go too far wrong with 'zerkers. Blood for the Blood God never goes out of style. And like others have said, regular spikey marines and transports should be safe.

FuryTheBerserker wrote:If you use a condom when you buy them, yes!

Not even condoms could help with Plague Marines, more than likely. Alright, thanks for the advice, everyone. It's just a really expensive hobby to get into, and I don't want to invest in something that'll eventually become useless.

As has been stated, I doubt anything will be completely invalidated. However, power levels will deinitely be different. Personally, I just buy and play with models that I like. If your group is casual, you are safe doing the same. If your group is hyper-competive, the things you would be buying now (2 princes, tons of plague marines and oblits) may get debuffed later. And units that are currentlly weak may be useful, or even essential later on.

I bought the possessed box recently, even though I know they are crap, because I like the models, and I fully expect them to get a nice buff in the next book.

An example of changes between codices: when I started in early 3rd, I don't know of anyone who used Daemon Princes, because Chaos Lords were considered a superior choice. Now that has reversed.

Personally, I say buy what you like. Face it, you are going to buy the new models when they come out either way.

No Chaos anything is safe as long as my brothers and I are around

BUY, BUY NOW!!!

With a few exceptions, when an army gets a new codex, they don't discontinue their old stuff, they simply add new stuff. This means that any miniatures you buy now, will very, very likely have some place in a future codex, especially if GW has a line of plastic minis. Also, units generally (though not always), stay roughly equal in quality, which means that you're unlikely to blow a bunch of money on minis (especially core units like HQ and troops choices) only to find them no longer competitive.

So why do I say buy now? Just look at what GW has done in the past. Whenever a new codex comes out, all of the minis for that range become more expensive, whether they actually change the minis or not.

Every time.

For example, guardsmen used to come in a box of 20 for $40, but when their new codex came out, GW repackaged guardsmen into a box of 10 for $30. No change to the sprue, or anything, they just rode the wave of "hey, it's a new codex, I should buy that army" demand to higher new prices. It will undoubtedly be the same for chaos.

If berzerkers do get jump packs, you can look forward to a box of berzerkers going from $40 for 12 of them to $35 for 8 of them, with the only difference being a couple of jet pack bitz.

If you're serious about a long-term army, you should always buy as many minis as you can afford before the next codex comes out.

Ailaros wrote:

If berzerkers do get jump packs, you can look forward to a box of berzerkers going from $40 for 12 of them to $35 for 8 of them, with the only difference being a couple of jet pack bitz.

Ha, we wish. Any new infantry boxes will be $33 for 5, just like Death Company, Sanguinary Guard, Possessed and the new Necron infantry. They will be super detailed and have tons of extra bits, but still.

To the OP: what type of army are you going for? Varied, with lots of different units? Competitive, with lots of redundant units? Theme list (World Eaters, maybe)? The only one that will suffer from buying now is (possibly) competitive.