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What are your opinions on this list
I wanted a hard hiting army that could take some punishment ( I will mainly be playing cygnar and kahdor)

Total 35 pts
High Exemplar Kreoss 5
Repenter 4
Crusader 6
Crusader 6
Choir of Menoth (Leader and 3 Grunts) 2
Exemplar Cinerators (Leader and 4 Grunts) 8
Temple Flameguard (Leader and 5 Grunts) 4
Visgoth Juviah Rhoven & 2 Honor Guard 4
Allegiant of the Order of the Fist 2
Paladin of the Order of the Wall 2
The Wrack (3 wracks) 1
Vassal Mechanik 1

any Ideas on how to change it or is it allright

Any thoughts????

Great list, the only problem i could spot is you probebly need another warjacks, i recommend a vanquisher or a scrouge of heresy

apart from that amazing

Hey origarmi chicken, you say you want something that can take punishment then only have a minimum squad of temple flameguard? Bump that squad up and possibly add in the UA. Shield wall, defensive line and you cause terror with the UA means that it takes a lot to get rid of them.

You've also got Rhoven and his two mates. Generally I've seen him paired up with a shooting Menoth force so that stealth isn't a problem. If he has other uses that's great but you have only one thing worried about stealth and that's Kreoss1. So you might be able to do without Rhoven.

The paladin and the alliegent are both great. One has the high armour/immune to non-magical stuff and the other is bloody hard to hit and if you miss it can move nice and far. Something I've found is that one of these solos can be ignored until it can definitely be dealt with by your opponent. Two of the same taking a flank each means that if i've only got one thing to deal with that type of solo i'm leaving myself open to the other one.

I won't come up with another list for you as i'm out of practice with Menoth but I hope this helps slightly.

Take the Avatar any time you can fit in the points

to bring it up to 50points i would take aways some of the solos, and add a vanquisher, an avatar and a revenger. possibly add another warcaster so you can pick which one to use before games

Ok So based on what You have told me this should be a good list
it is the first 50pt list I have made but it contains an extra jack (the avatar)
the temple flame guard (full with attchment)
and 2 of the same solo (paladin)

50PTS
High Exemplar Kreoss 5
Crusader 6
Crusader 6
Vanquisher 8
Avatar of Menoth 11
Choir of Menoth (Leader and 3 Grunts) 2
Exemplar Cinerators (Leader and 4 Grunts)8
Temple Flameguard (Leader and 9 Grunts)6
Temple Flameguard Officer & Standard 2
Paladin of the Order of the Wall 2
Paladin of the Order of the Wall 2
The Wrack (3 wracks) 1
Vassal Mechanik 1

Thanks for the help

I personally wouldn't take Paladins without Vilmon, but then again, I personally wouldn't go anywhere without Vilmon.

I'd also say if you're running 3 jacks (not including the Avatar) you should maybe think about taking the Hierophant.

How do you plan on using the Wrack's? To siphon the focus or as a tunnel?

I mainly use them to gain aditional focus or as explosives if near enamies.

adameast wrote:I personally wouldn't take Paladins without Vilmon

Agreed. I also would not take paladins without Vilmon unless I needed one and didn't have the points. Vilmon makes your paladins ridiculously hard to kill and they already are hard to kill. I would either add Vilmon somehow and keep the paladins or take one out and replace it with the Book.

Should I take out a paladin and the mechanik to make space for vilimon?

I would say drop the paladins altogether and take a book and a vassal. Lots of heavies means a extra attack will matter (the Avatar can get it too) and enliven can speed up your list. The extra magic attack can help too.
As for the book - it is a great support peace that just does what is needed the most I find. Also the fact that if must be damaged 5 time to die is a pain in the enemy's butt.