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The army list was formulated for my very first tournament, I have NO experience doing army builds nor tournaments, but here it is, for you all to see. It has been edited after review, and I think it does look better now, thanks!
HQ-1x Company Command Squad+1 melta gun-60pts.
1x Company Command Squad+melta gun+grenade launcher-65 pts.
Troops-1x Veteran Squad- Veteran Weapons Team+Lascannon+Grenadier Kit+ 2 melta guns-140 pts.
2x Veteran Squad- Veteran Weapons Team+Autocannon+Grenadier Kit+ 2 melta guns- 260 pts.
Heavy Support- 1x Leman Russ Battle Tank+Multi-Melta Sponsons-180 pts.
1x Leman Russ Batte Tank+Lascannon+Heavy Bolter Sponsons-185 pts.
Elites- 1 xRatling Snipers (x5)- 50 pts. 1x Ratling Snipers (x6)- 60 pts.
Total:1000 points.
I'd like any opinions you experienced people have to offer, thanks.
The Lemans are not fielded together so I can use them independantly. The ratlings are grouped for tactical flexibility. The veterans with carapace armor was a choice I made after facing enemies and finding I get no saves against any low-AP weapon, like bolters.
EDIT: Changed Veterans with three cheap special weapons to one melta gun each and one melta gun each for the CCSs. The voxes are gone, overhauls to special weapons, (read: Spam melta guns) Thanks for your opinions. Leman Russ Exterminator dropped for regular, MM sponsons added again. Creed has been dropped because of a sound advisory, the ratling squads have been reduced by two each, and another veteran squad has been added.

Drop sponsons on the russes as they should be moving and shooting every turn possible.

Give the CCS's special weapons, you dont want to waste the BS4.

With only 2 troop choices in 1000pts, it seems a bit low.

Id drop the ratlings as well, they are good, but sniper rifles are not.

Id also drop the lascannon on the Exterminator, its BS3, so you will not hit as often with it.

Bomber332 wrote: The veterans with carapace armor was a choice I made after facing enemies and finding out I get no saves against any moderate weapon, such as bolters.

That's why if they're Vets, the get rides. Chimera is my first choice. if they are Regular IG platoon squads(PIS), then you get lots of them and 'Go to ground' or die in droves. hey, it's the IG,
they're supposed to die in droves.

For the lower point games, i'd skip the Sponsons on the tanks. maybe on the Exterminator only.

i also stay away from expensive characters.

Voxes are a waste imho.

i'd take advantage of the Vets bs 4, as most do, and load them out with
Plasma/Melta. same with the CCS. If you go that route, i'd skip the Lascannon
and ac.

for 5 more points you could switch the Ratlings for a Hydra.

UMGuy wrote:Drop sponsons on the russes as they should be moving and shooting every turn possible.

Give the CCS's special weapons, you dont want to waste the BS4.

With only 2 troop choices in 1000pts, it seems a bit low.

Id drop the ratlings as well, they are good, but sniper rifles are not.

Id also drop the lascannon on the Exterminator, its BS3, so you will not hit as often with it.

Alright, I think giving my command squads a grenade launcher and a melta gun each would be a sensible idea. As for the sponsons on the leman russes? They can move and shoot all of their weapons because of the lumbering behemoth special rule. The lascannon, I won't worry about, it's only there for low save infantry or a vehicle. As for the snipers, They rend and they pin, and with 15 of them, there is a significant chance at least one shot will rend, pin, or whatever, and if I place them in cover with infiltration, a building or something they could become a real pain for the recieving end. I'll consider replacing them with more vets. Thanks for your input.


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alarmingrick wrote:

Bomber332 wrote: The veterans with carapace armor was a choice I made after facing enemies and finding out I get no saves against any moderate weapon, such as bolters.

That's why if they're Vets, the get rides. Chimera is my first choice. if they are Regular IG platoon squads(PIS), then you get lots of them and 'Go to ground' or die in droves. hey, it's the IG,
they're supposed to die in droves.

For the lower point games, i'd skip the Sponsons on the tanks. maybe on the Exterminator only.

i also stay away from expensive characters.

Voxes are a waste imho.

i'd take advantage of the Vets bs 4, as most do, and load them out with
Plasma/Melta. same with the CCS. If you go that route, i'd skip the Lascannon
and ac.

for 5 more points you could switch the Ratlings for a Hydra.

Creed has the capacity to give four orders, orders being the Guard's strength, that with its vehicles. I'm replacing the 5pt. weapons on the vets with a grenade launcher and melta gun for each command squad. This also gives me more attacks for first/second rank FIRE. The melta sponsons on my Leman Russ are its key feature to deal with say, termies with chainfists or other assault units, though ideally the tanks are behind infantry reigning hell upon my enemy. They'll also help with anny assault infantry. And we all know how weak Guard infantry are to assault. Thanks for your input.

Bomber332 wrote:
Alright, I think giving my command squads a grenade launcher and a melta gun each would be a sensible idea. As for the sponsons on the leman russes? They can move and shoot all of their weapons because of the lumbering behemoth special rule. The lascannon, I won't worry about, it's only there for low save infantry or a vehicle. As for the snipers, They rend and they pin, and with 15 of them, there is a significant chance at least one shot will rend, pin, or whatever, and if I place them in cover with infiltration, a building or something they could become a real pain for the recieving end. I'll consider replacing them with more vets. Thanks for your input.

Actually, the rule states that if you move 6", you may fire the main cannon and one other weapon.

Try not to mix special weapons. Its better to have all the same weapon, then when you fire all your weapons fire, not just one or the other.

And as alarmingrick said, dropping the ratlings you can get a hydra for not too many more, which will put out more fire power and offer twin linked.

I like it. Mainly, it is different from alot of the spam lists that people put out there. Work with this, and you will get the hang of how to use it all properly.

Only two troop choices, that is sort of low. If you want to drop at least one squad of ratlings, you can put in either a basic veteran squad at 70 or have fun with a penial legion at 80. Lascannon on the one tank is sort of not the best either. The exterminator is a great against light transport or heavy infantry. the heavy bolter works well with it, at no additional cost.

I like your list due to its difference from all the other list posted here. You do need some other troop choices though.

UMGuy wrote:

Bomber332 wrote:
Alright, I think giving my command squads a grenade launcher and a melta gun each would be a sensible idea. As for the sponsons on the leman russes? They can move and shoot all of their weapons because of the lumbering behemoth special rule. The lascannon, I won't worry about, it's only there for low save infantry or a vehicle. As for the snipers, They rend and they pin, and with 15 of them, there is a significant chance at least one shot will rend, pin, or whatever, and if I place them in cover with infiltration, a building or something they could become a real pain for the recieving end. I'll consider replacing them with more vets. Thanks for your input.

Actually, the rule states that if you move 6", you may fire the main cannon and one other weapon.

Try not to mix special weapons. Its better to have all the same weapon, then when you fire all your weapons fire, not just one or the other.

And as alarmingrick said, dropping the ratlings you can get a hydra for not too many more, which will put out more fire power and offer twin linked.

The rule states that it can fire its turret weapon and any other weapons it is usually allowed to fire even if it's ordinance. I checked it up, and yeah, you're right. Also, I don't have a hydra nor any funds nor actual means to get one around here other than the internet, my local source has a poor selection of imperial vehicles other than baneblades and basilisks. Speaking of basilisks, I might use them in a larger army someday.


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martin74 wrote:I like it. Mainly, it is different from alot of the spam lists that people put out there. Work with this, and you will get the hang of how to use it all properly.

Only two troop choices, that is sort of low. If you want to drop at least one squad of ratlings, you can put in either a basic veteran squad at 70 or have fun with a penial legion at 80. Lascannon on the one tank is sort of not the best either. The exterminator is a great against light transport or heavy infantry. the heavy bolter works well with it, at no additional cost.

I like your list due to its difference from all the other list posted here. You do need some other troop choices though.

The lascannon on the exterminator can be thought of as... "In case of heavily armored vehicle, break glass". Also, I don't know how many bits or models I will have for melta guns and I don't know what the 40 or so out of my 50 guardsmen I'm getting in the mail shortly are equipped with or if they'll come with any bits. Additionally, I don't even know if I'll have my HWTs in by December 17th. (The day before the tournament).

Yes, I understand the idea of the lascannon on the exterminator. I dont mind being run on the tank, just, having to take out another Leman Russ front armour or anand Rainder, you have evectively reduced your turrent weapon.

Bomber332 wrote:Creed has the capacity to give four orders, orders being the Guard's strength, that with its vehicles. I'm replacing the 5pt. weapons on the vets with a grenade launcher and melta gun for each command squad. This also gives me more attacks for first/second rank FIRE. The melta sponsons on my Leman Russ are its key feature to deal with say, termies with chainfists or other assault units, though ideally the tanks are behind infantry reigning hell upon my enemy. They'll also help with anny assault infantry. And we all know how weak Guard infantry are to assault. Thanks for your input.

You're welcome.
I don't understand why everyone has to tell me what that character does when i suggest not to use it.
I know his ability. my point is that in 1000 pt. game, he has less to order around due to his high price tag.
I'd rather have another CCS for his points. that said, have fun. try what you want, and learn what works better
for you.

As an example:
CCS = 50
Creed = 90
total = 140
thats for Creed and four of his closest friends. no weapons, vehicle or upgrades.

CCS= 50
4 Melta = 40
Chimera = 55
total = 145
You lose the some range and 2 orders. but you have a squad with teeth, & mobility.
the weapons will take advantage of the Vets BS 4. The Chimera gives you 2 more heavy
weapons, and some level of protection.

alarmingrick wrote:

Bomber332 wrote:Creed has the capacity to give four orders, orders being the Guard's strength, that with its vehicles. I'm replacing the 5pt. weapons on the vets with a grenade launcher and melta gun for each command squad. This also gives me more attacks for first/second rank FIRE. The melta sponsons on my Leman Russ are its key feature to deal with say, termies with chainfists or other assault units, though ideally the tanks are behind infantry reigning hell upon my enemy. They'll also help with anny assault infantry. And we all know how weak Guard infantry are to assault. Thanks for your input.

You're welcome.
I don't understand why everyone has to tell me what that character does when i suggest not to use it.
I know his ability. my point is that in 1000 pt. game, he has less to order around due to his high price tag.
I'd rather have another CCS for his points. that said, have fun. try what you want, and learn what works better
for you.

As an example:
CCS = 50
Creed = 90
total = 140
thats for Creed and four of his closest friends. no weapons, vehicle or upgrades.

CCS= 50
4 Melta = 40
Chimera = 55
total = 145
You lose the some range and 2 orders. but you have a squad with teeth, & mobility.
the weapons will take advantage of the Vets BS 4. The Chimera gives you 2 more heavy
weapons, and some level of protection.

I had been considering that Creed may well not be worth the points, and you're right. Also, I am terribly sorry that I just felt the need to tell you that Creed had the Tactical Genius ability. Sometimes I forget that the majority other people are more familiar with the codex than I. Making changes now. Also, I just found out that I can't make Leman Russ Exterminators with a regular kit, instead you have to buy one from FW, or something. I can't proxy in tourneys... Maybe I can kit-bash with HWT autocannon bits, might be difficult since I've never done it. In a pinch I'll make it a regular one, since they cost the same.

no need to say sorry. i was just kiddin' around!
if you buy the newest GW Leman Russ kit, it comes with all optional
bits to make an Exterminator. And if all you have is the standard Russ,
don't worry. It'll serve you well.

alarmingrick wrote:no need to say sorry. i was just kiddin' around!
if you buy the newest GW Leman Russ kit, it comes with all optional
bits to make an Exterminator. And if all you have is the standard Russ,
don't worry. It'll serve you well.

I know, the exterminator is only good at what it's meant to do because it's twin-linked, and large blast and an additional point of strength is kind of more useful in many situations anyway. The kit I have now is not a new kit, evidently, because it lacks the easy track housing assembly of the newer model, having it with wheels behind the tracks that nobody sees anyway. It didn't come with instructions, but it's coming along because I have a GW tutorial that's for the newest model, which is almost exactly the same. I still have to do something about the tracks, and it's my first vehicle build, so I did something wrong with them, as I thought I would. Do you know where I can get Imperial Guard melta gun bits in kits? There don't seem to be any in the shock trooper box and only one in the Command Squad box. If I get 5 more, It will all be fine. Might have to go with other weapons. What puzzles me is, who sells old tanks that are still on sprues?