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I am thinking to start a 1750 blood angels army so here is what i have got.

HQ
reclusiarch w/ power fist =155

ELITES
priests w/ storm bolter melta bomb lighting claw =74
priests w/ hand flamer power weapon =75

TROOPS
5 assault w/ power fist melta razorback w/ plasma lass =190
5 assault w/ power wep melta bomb melta gun razorback w/ plasma lass =185
5 assault w/ power wep hand flama flama razorback w/ plasma lass =185

FAST ATTACK
Baal w/ flamestorm heavy flamer=140
Baal w/ flamestorm heavy flamer =140
Baal w/ flamestorm heavy flamer =140

HEAVY
vindicator w/ shield =155
vindicator w/ shield =155
vindicator w/ shield =155

= 1749

I was thinking to do all the troops the same but wanted to mix them up a lil.

Tell me what you think thanks.

smeg wrote:I am thinking to start a 1750 blood angels army so here is what i have got.

HQ
reclusiarch w/ power fist =155
Why? You have 15 scoring assault marines, a reclusiarch isn't going to really help you out much here. A librarian would be a much better option.

ELITES
priests w/ storm bolter melta bomb lighting claw =74
priests w/ hand flamer power weapon =75
Again... why? Your assault marines shouldn't really ever be in hand to hand, because you don't have nearly enough to risk losing.

TROOPS
5 assault w/ power fist melta razorback w/ plasma lass =190
5 assault w/ power wep melta bomb melta gun razorback w/ plasma lass =185
5 assault w/ power wep hand flama flama razorback w/ plasma lass =185
I think you really just need more troops. Drop the power weapons and squad upgrades, maybe keep a melta on each, and thats about it. You shouldn't be in hand to hand except to deal with horde armies or finish off very weakened squads anyway.

FAST ATTACK
Baal w/ flamestorm heavy flamer=140
Baal w/ flamestorm heavy flamer =140
Baal w/ flamestorm heavy flamer =140
Maybe 1 flame Baal, AC/HB Baals are SO GOOD, you should definitely take 1 or 2 of them. If you get first turn, the ability to infiltrate them and then fire an assault cannon into a vulnerable part of your enemeis army, then speed away next turn, is invaluable.

HEAVY
vindicator w/ shield =155
vindicator w/ shield =155
vindicator w/ shield =155
I ran 2 vindicators at a tournament this weekend, was very unimpressed. Honestly, I'm always unimpressed with vindicators. They just seem to not do nearly enough damage. Sure, they are good for anti-tank, but normally I have enough melta guns / assault cannons to deal with tanks anyway. Consider swapping these out for either more troops or more predators, or both.
= 1749

I was thinking to do all the troops the same but wanted to mix them up a lil.

Tell me what you think thanks.

Triple Vindicators are much more of a threat than 2. His enemy is likely to commit a heavy investment in eliminating those vindicators. I know a glancing hit will likely delay them, and a pen will do much worse. However, the question is, can you really disable all three before they earn their cost in points? Yes, a stupid weapon disable takes out the big gun, but... are three weapon disables likely? Not very fast. Is gonna place the big template over you? Very likely.

A lot of points being commited, but I like the vinds.

Other than that, more troops might help...

Vindicators simply don't do enough damage for their cost.

A str10 pieplate is scary and all, but if you just spread out infantry and stay in cover, it won't kill more than 2-3 models MAX per squad... and there are more effective choices in the codex for anti-tank.

smeg wrote:I am thinking to start a 1750 blood angels army so here is what i have got.

HQ
reclusiarch w/ power fist =155 This guy is never good in any other armies than BT. Drop him, and get a Librarian instead.
ELITES
priests w/ storm bolter melta bomb lighting claw =74 From my experience, they are not good in this small armies. I would advise to drop them and add a Furioso Dreadnought instead. That thing will rip apart anything in a medium list like this.
priests w/ hand flamer power weapon =75

TROOPS You are going to need more assault units to survive beyond turn one. Add some more assault squads or replace them with tactical squads.
5 assault w/ power fist melta razorback w/ plasma lass =190 Never put them in a ground transport. They are way better in a Drop Pod.
5 assault w/ power wep melta bomb melta gun razorback w/ plasma lass =185
5 assault w/ power wep hand flama flama razorback w/ plasma lass =185

FAST ATTACK Baal Predators are way better armed with Assault Cannons. They will rip through anything, even light armor.
Baal w/ flamestorm heavy flamer=140
Baal w/ flamestorm heavy flamer =140
Baal w/ flamestorm heavy flamer =140

HEAVY Vindicators are the worst units in the whole Heavy Support section. Replace them with omething else, like more Baal Preds or those ill needed infantry squads.
vindicator w/ shield =155
vindicator w/ shield =155
vindicator w/ shield =155

= 1749

I was thinking to do all the troops the same but wanted to mix them up a lil.

Tell me what you think thanks.

How is this and what psychic powers should i use on the librarians?


HQ
librarian =100
librarian =100

TROOPS
5 assault w/ melta gun razorback w/ plasma lass =165
5 assault w/ melta gun razorback w/ plasma lass =165
5 assault w/ flama razorback w/ plasma lass =160
5 assault w/ flama razorback w/ plasma lass =160

FAST ATTACK
Baal w/ heavy bolter=145
Baal w/ heavy bolter =145
Baal w/ heavy bolter =145

HEAVY
vindicator shield =155
vindicator shield =155
vindicator shield =155



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How is this if i loos the vindicators.

HQ
librarian =100

TROOPS
5 assault w/ infernus pistol melta gun razorback w/ plasma lass =180
5 assault w/ infernus pistol melta gun razorback w/ plasma lass =180
5 assault w/ infernus pistol melta gun razorback w/ plasma lass =180
5 assault w/ hand flamer flamer razorback w/ heavy flamer =135
5 assault w/ hand flamer flamer razorback w/ heavy flamer =135
5 assault w/ hand flamer flamer razorback w/ heavy flamer =135

FAST ATTACK
Baal w/ heavy bolter=145
Baal w/ heavy bolter =145
Baal w/ heavy bolter =145

HEAVY
whirlwind =90
whirlwind =90
whirlwind =90

= 1750

Will this work better?

Why we have just been told vindis are the worse heavy choice so clearly whirlwinds must be better
Seriously whirlwinds are either useless or your opponent(orks or 'nis) will complain about list tailoring.

I feel the love of the first list. Vindis are good but they do not fit everyone's style. For BA they are fast and so is everything else so they can get into range and get support. Personally I would play with 3 preds instead as I like to have the range attack.

Shield for the librarians. I would guess not a shooting attack as they will be in razorbacks. Maybe wings as this would be funny/useful.

Also on a side note: Assault cannons are not great at light armour, soft targets and heavy armour are both good targets however. Number of shots and rending mean they can really hit av13/14 I believe better than lascannons, however for av11/12 the rending becomes pretty much worthless.

Smeg, your first list in your last post should be plenty of firepower. Vindicators aren't BAD, they are just a bit randomly useful. Some games you'll LOVE them, in others they will be useless.

Horst wrote:Smeg, your first list in your last post should be plenty of firepower. Vindicators aren't BAD, they are just a bit randomly useful. Some games you'll LOVE them, in others they will be useless.

This is the point of my first post here. Its also why 3 is a good option. Its not because it triples the firepower, but because it makes it three times harder to take out. The odds of getting a weapons disable on all three before they eat their points isn't likely.

Using three keeps them in the fight longer...

That being said... if they die, you'll wish you had more points elsewhere realy fast.