IG Imperial Navy 2k UPDATED (Advice please)

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**xSoulgrinderx**

Anyone think this list would work?

HQ:
CCS-50

Troops:
Vets-100
3x MM

Vets-100
3xMM

Vets-100
3xMM

Imperial Navy
Squadron 1
1. Vendetta
2. Vendetta
3. Vendetta

Squadron 2
1. Vendetta
2. Vendetta
3. Vendetta

Squadron 3
1. Valk (holds vets)
2. Valk (holds vets)
3. Valk (holds vets)

Heavy Support:
Manticore-160

Manticore-160

Manticore-160

TOTAL: 2,000 pts

Any suggestions? Im thinking about dropping Squad 3 to get more troops I can put in the Vendettas So Id have 5 squads of vets and the CCS stocked out flying in the 6 birds. 3 squads of 2 birds. The manticores just sit back and nuke the board effectively. The plan is to have the manticores bombard the objectives or units going for them, then late in the game have the valks come in from reserve

**Talore**

Unfortunately, you can't have Vendettas and Valkyries in the same squad. Your list would have to be 3x Vendetta Gunships, 3x Vendetta Gunships, and 3x Valkyrie Dropships.

It's probably better that way anyways; most people run Valkyries as anti-infantry and Vendettas as anti-tank, keeping them seperate means you get better target priority.

**xSoulgrinderx**

Good call. EDITED.

I have 5 soon to be 6 of these birds so thats why I made this list.

**Qorbane**

I like it lol, but then again it looks a lot like my 1850 list lol.

I would go Hydra over manticore, even though I think the manti is very sexy and awesome in to play. The Hydra is just better over all, or maybe even a battle tank or two.

**akaean**

I don't like that all of your troops are contained in one of the squadrons. The last thing you want is all of your scoring units grounded because of one psyfleman dread volley...

**alarmingrick**

what is the CCS going to do? Point?

**martin74**

Yes, you seem light on scoring units. Only three, I basicly always run four scoring units. In addition, all are in one squadron. All it takes is some good shooting and those birds are falling from the sky. Guardsman of any variety do not survive exploding vehicles well at all.

**Qorbane**

ya if you are only taking 3 vet squads I would separate them one in each squadron

**Talore**

Qorbane wrote:ya if you are only taking 3 vet squads I would separate them one in each squadron

I second this. Sometimes it is nice to be able to easily deploy all your vets in one place, put you're going to have a hard time in objective modes with so little troops as it is, that you'll probably want to spead them amongst your aircraft. Also consider loading your CCS in an aircraft.

**xSoulgrinderx**

You cant have them in separate squads. Already discussed in the beginning. That was my original plan. Ya, swapping one manticore for 3 hydras would be a big help.

**xSoulgrinderx**

I updated the tactics. Anyone think this is a competitave list, other than the fact that its lacking in troops? I need some help trying to figure out what I need to drop to get more troops.

Im thinking a Ven from each squad to get 2 more troops. Good idea?

**alarmingrick**

What are you spending on the Valks and Vendettas?

CCS - 90
4 x melta

Vets- 100
Melta x 3

Vets- 100
Melta x 3

Vets -100
Melta x 3

Vets- 115
Plasma x 3

Vets- 115
Plasma x 3

Vendetta x 3= 390

Vendetta x 2= 260

Valkyrie x 2 = 260
ML/Rocket pods

Manticore = 160

Manticore = 160

Hydra x 2 = 150

2000 even. not the list i would run, but i tried to keep the theme you're looking for.
I prefer my Vets/CCS in Chimera and my Vendettas empty. Gives you 5 troop choices.

**fotta**

I might also suggest Masters of Ordinance. Representing orbital bombardments from ground spotters.

**xSoulgrinderx**

Not a bad list. However I dont like how theres a ton of troops. That means when I put them in a bird and one gets shot down, its all the more heavy of a loss. Maybe drop a Melta vet squad and add a hydra plus a demo charge or two.

**severedblue**

xSoulgrinderx wrote:Not a bad list. However I dont like how theres a ton of troops. That means when I put them in a bird and one gets shot down, its all the more heavy of a loss. Maybe drop a Melta vet squad and add a hydra plus a demo charge or two.

How are you meant to score in objective games without troops to claim objectives?

**alarmingrick**

severedblue wrote:
xSoulgrinderx wrote:Not a bad list. However I dont like how theres a ton of troops. That means when I put them in a bird and one gets shot down, its all the more heavy of a loss. Maybe drop a Melta vet squad and add a hydra plus a demo charge or two.

That's why i put mine in Chimera, and run 3 Vendetta, Max. You're going for a theme, so there's only so many choices.
If you cut down to 3 Vendettas, you'd have more than enough points to buy Chimera, and then some. but then it would
be cookie cutterish, and not Imperial Navy themed at all.

severedblue wrote:How are you meant to score in objective games without troops to claim objectives?

Exactly.

**xSoulgrinderx**

Ya. This needs to be an effective Imperial Navy list

**BlkTom**

MoO can not move and shoot, so would have to be stationary. Bad choice/advice for a fast skimmer.

You do realise that each squadron can only fire on one target? Nine twin linked lascannons on a Rhino or razorback is a hell of a waste.

Do you also understand how squadrons work when taking fire, correct? You better read those rules /really/ closily, specially with skimmer squadrons.

Your Manticores are undefended, don't expect them to last long.

I personal do not think you will have a satisfying experience with what your trying to do, due to the simple fact that your limited to 3 Fast attack slots. Alarmingrick is probably giving you the best you can run, as jamming 9 birds on the board yet only being able to fire on 3 targets means your list will just not be effective as other lists. Rest assaured, those 3 targets will /probably/ be destroyed, but I just don't see a list like this being that competitive, specially at 2000pts where you should be facing at least 9 units that can take out AV 12.

**xSoulgrinderx**

True. Well I was thinking about dropping the squads down to 2 a piece and just all vendettas. Thatll give some room for somthing to protect the Manticores.

**SoliderSnake**

Play Elysians.

**androcles138**

Id drop down to 2 a squad and toss in a barebones platoon in chimeras for objectives grabbers on the cheap. Iirc you can do it barebones for around 280 pts for a pcs and 2 infantry squads. Also leaves you with some left9vers to beef the vets up

**Caranthir987**

I played an army like this at throne of skulls with my salamanders. @ 1500, he had 2 squadrons of 2 vendettas, and a squadron of 2 valkyries with 4 squads of vets and marbo. Like you, he didn't have the pts left for caraprace for the vets, and when the vehicles exploded half of them died. Squadron rules sucked for him when both his Valks got immobilised by the same predator volley, and therefore were wrecked. He conceded turn 3.

Whilst i'm not saying that this is a precedent for how your army will perform, its defo better on the coolness factor than on the competitive front