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Wanted some input on this army build idea

1 Hive Tyrant
-Wings
-Acid Blood
-Old Adversary
-Hive Commander
-Regeneration
-Stranglethorn Cannon 325

6 Genestealers
-5 Toxin Sacs
-1 Broodlord
-Mycetic Spore
-Barbed Strangler 200


5 Genestealers
-5 Toxin Sacs
-1 Broodlord
-Mycetic Spore
-Barbed Strangler 186


5 Genestealers
-5 Toxin Sacs
-1 Broodlord
-Mycetic Spore
-Barbed Strangler 186

5 Genestealers
- 5 Toxin Sacs
-1 Broodlord
-Mycetic Spore
-Barbed Strangler 186

5 Genestealers
-5 Toxin Sacs
-1 Broodlord
-Mycetic Spore
-Barbed Strangler 186

1 Zoanthrope
-Mycetic spore
-Barber Strangler 115

1 Zoanthrope
-Mycetic spore
-Barber Strangler 115
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1499

Basicly on trun 2 drop as much as possible close to one of their flanks (or theire whole force if it's small/bunched up), stack Aura of Dispair and proceed to pin them. Any thoughts anyone?

BS doesn't really work for me, BS2 makes it less than effective.

5/6 genestealers is too small a brood. Drop the broodlord and push these up in size. Also stealer can't assault out of the spore when they can if inflitrating/outflanking.

Tyrant is very expensive at this level for my liking ...

Firstly, your points are off due too some illegal units. The toxin sac upgrade must be purchesed by the entire unit, not just some, broodlord included. Secondly, this list will get rocked, everytime.putting genestealers in pods is ugly, they won't be able to assualt and will be shot to pieces. Pinning doesn't work everytime, and you have little anti tank, so those will still be able to fire. Take hive guards over zoeys, more reliable, and are not effected by hoods, cover, or even LoS issues what so ever. Take one of those zoeys and play it as doom. Get rid of the tyrant, and replace with prime, place him with hive guards, makes him toughness 6 against shooting. Then you have points to put dev termies in those pods. Dakka carnifex would fit well into you idea as well

Actually those units aren't illegal. The broodlord is not purchased in addition to the genestealers, those points are correct.

Saying that however, this list will get mullered. I'm assuming he is thinking of using aura of despair and making them do pinning checks at -leadership; ofcourse this won't work since it's cast in the assault phase. If he wasn't and just relying on pinning then it will rarely work and then there's the whole deal with so many armies being fearless. As said the genestealers coming out of the pods will get them killed so quickly. On the other hand, after first glance the idea of lots of small units of genestealers with broodlord might go well, but it needs to be done properly, fully upgrade the broodlord and replace toxin sacs with adrenal glands, combined with hypnotic gaze can be quite potent (I shall see tonight, my friend and I have been planning a list based around this and he will be trying it out tonight).

So I wouldn't do this list, you can have some pinning weapons, but trying to rely on it will make you lose very fast.

If you insist on doing a pinning list, replace the genestealers with 10 termagants and a strangleweb, a lot lot lot cheaper and can shoot when you get out.

lord_bobbington wrote:Actually those units aren't illegal. The broodlord is not purchased in addition to the genestealers, those points are correct.

False.

Upgrade one genestealer to a Broodlord.
A Broodlord may take Scything Talons, Implant Attack, Acid Blood.
The entire brood may take Toxin Sacs.

The Broodlord is part of the brood, so needs to take sacs if the rest of the brood does. Or, if you want to read it as he's separate, he can never take AG/TS because they aren't under the broodlord mods.

The latter is incorrect, but it's more correct than buying TS/AG for the boordlord individually.

A Broodlord can take scything talons, acid blood and implant attack separately - but AG/TS are an all or nothing upgrade.

Well, first of all- welcome to dakka!

It seems you've jumped right in at the deep end in this forum, it can be a little harsh in here sometimes but everyone usually has your best interests in mind.

As to the list itself- I feel that, whilst a novel tactic (stealers in pods), the fact they cannot assault out of them can be a real hindrance, as expressed previously. If you dropped the pods, thats some 200 points you've saved. Combine a squad or 2, as ruminator has mentioned, since they tend to be a little fragile at minimum strength. I know this will mean less broodlords for your pinning plan, but unfortunately, this tactic is on a knife edge anyway.

The problem as I see with the aura of despair stack, is that to be effective, it all needs to be directed at a single unit. Unfortunately, this means that the rest of your opponents army will still be able to move and shoot and assault you freely, which is problematic. Those extra points you save, could go on a gargoyle screen for tyrant, which is a little vulnerable at the moment. Then, the remainder could go on a little ranged weaponry, maybe some hive guard or more zoanthropes. If you do still want some podding action, sticking the doom of malantai in one can produce some fun results.

Just some suggestions- hope it was useful to you!

Yes and if you actually look at it, including the cost, that is exactly what he did, he bought 5 genestealers, gave toxin sacs to all 5 and one of those genestealers is now a broodlord aswell. The group consists of 5 models, not 6. He has not left out the broodlord.

So I will say again (because you also seemed to have misunderstood what I said you said I was wrong and then proceeded to say exactly what I said) those genestealer squad that the OP has listed are not illegal. He has purchased toxin sacs for the whole squad.

lord_bobbington wrote:Yes and if you actually look at it, including the cost, that is exactly what he did, he bought 5 genestealers, gave toxin sacs to all 5 and one of those genestealers is now a broodlord aswell. The group consists of 5 models, not 6. He has not left out the broodlord.

So I will say again (because you also seemed to have misunderstood what I said you said I was wrong and then proceeded to say exactly what I said) those genestealer squad that the OP has listed are not illegal. He has purchased toxin sacs for the whole squad.

Ah - I see now. I misread the list and your post. Apologies.

Reanimator wrote:

The problem as I see with the aura of despair stack, is that to be effective, it all needs to be directed at a single unit. Unfortunately, this means that the rest of your opponents army will still be able to move and shoot and assault you freely, which is problematic. Those extra points you save, could go on a gargoyle screen for tyrant, which is a little vulnerable at the moment. Then, the remainder could go on a little ranged weaponry, maybe some hive guard or more zoanthropes. If you do still want some podding action, sticking the doom of malantai in one can produce some fun results.

This isn't how aura of despair works. It isn't directed at any particular target, it affects all enemy units within 12" which if the power was cast in the shooting phase would make me want to use it all the time, it would make this pinning army actually really good; unfortunately aura of despair only works in the assault phase and only lasts till the beginning of your next turn.

Yeah, didn't notice that it IS the assault phase it gets used in... thats kinda dumb... well back to the drawing board . Thanks for the pointing that out b4 I tried it lol.

you dont need the Genestealers in Mycetic Spore, just outflank this way they can run and assout the turn they come in that and you can add 2 more Genestealers to each brood.

all so your Hive Tyrant is way too many points running it like this mines it will be killed frist turn it comes in. you dont need Acid Blood on it. not many players will charge it and 95% of armys need to roll a 5+ to take a wound. Old Adversary is good bot it coust 25 pts that is alot for all Nids with in 6" get PE, this means even your opp. if he are she is playing nids. Regeneration is not worth the pts. not at all you need a 6 to get 1 wound back and it onlys has 4 wounds to start. you are batter off just useing Leech Essase it works a lot more often. strangletharn cannon is up to you i found it better to run it with just Close combat weapons in this type of list and just use it PSY powers for shooting. its a good start.

Kenmure wrote:you dont need the Genestealers in Mycetic Spore, just outflank this way they can run and assout the turn they come in that and you can add 2 more Genestealers to each brood.

The point of the spores was to have more pinning weapons (the barbed stranglers).