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So lets say hypothetically there is a SW vs SW match up. One team's HQ is a Wolf Lord with the THammer and SS combo, while another is a Rune Priest with LL and Jaws of the World Wolf. At some point during the game the player with the Rune Priest attempts to "snipe" the THammer Lord with Jaws. Would you count the Lord's Initiative as 5 or 1? Is this the same for all weapons of this type (Fists and Hammers that count the initiative as 1 while making attacks).


The other question is can I direct hits/wounds to an independent character from a model in base contact with him? I don't think I can do it without base contact so please inform me if I am incorrect.

Use their base iniaitve not the adjusted for their cc. Reason being is their I doesn't drop til they attack.

Initiative changes from using a close combat weapon only apply when you're using that close combat weapon.

You direct the attacks against specific units in close combat. By the time you've rolled to hit or wound, it's too late... they needed to be allocated before that.

Any model in base contact with the IC can allocate their attacks against him. Any model not in base contact with anything, but within 2" of a model from their own unit who is in base contact with the IC can also attack him.

It works like that regardless of whether it's an IC, a monstrous creature, a squad, whatever...

Init 5.

The only way to hit an IC in CC is if you're in b2b with him. I don't think the 2" rule applies here, but I don't have my BRB available to check.

edit: So yeah, the 2" rule does apply - but if it's an IC in b2b with another IC only the ICs can fight each other.

rigeld2 wrote:The only way to hit an IC in CC is if you're in b2b with him. I don't think the 2" rule applies here, but I don't have my BRB available to check.

edit: So yeah, the 2" rule does apply - but if it's an IC in b2b with another IC only the ICs can fight each other.

The 'must be in base contact' thing is a common misconception. The rules treat ICs just the same as any other unit.

Insaniak has it. Attack allocation on different units works the same no matter what the unit is. The only thing special about an IC is that he is treated like a separate unit for attack allocation even if he's attached to a squad.

The character strikes at I1 with his TH, but it doesn't reduce his Init for the whole game.

thanks guys appreciate the quick responses

Also note that, if a model's Initiative is reduced by other means (such as Arjac's thrown hammer), then they would use that Initiative for the test.

insaniak wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:The only way to hit an IC in CC is if you're in b2b with him. I don't think the 2" rule applies here, but I don't have my BRB available to check.

edit: So yeah, the 2" rule does apply - but if it's an IC in b2b with another IC only the ICs can fight each other.

The 'must be in base contact' thing is a common misconception. The rules treat ICs just the same as any other unit.

Slight correction.

The rules treat ICs just the same as any other unit, that is true.

However you can only attack a unit you are engaged with, so if the IC is not in B2B with anyone, Then no one is engaged with the IC, and no one can attack him.

How is that a correction? It's how the close combat rules work for everyone, which was exactly my point.

Apologies, I must have misunderstood your post.

DeathReaper wrote:

insaniak wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:The only way to hit an IC in CC is if you're in b2b with him. I don't think the 2" rule applies here, but I don't have my BRB available to check.

edit: So yeah, the 2" rule does apply - but if it's an IC in b2b with another IC only the ICs can fight each other.

The 'must be in base contact' thing is a common misconception. The rules treat ICs just the same as any other unit.

Slight correction.

The rules treat ICs just the same as any other unit, that is true.

However you can only attack a unit you are engaged with, so if the IC is not in B2B with anyone, Then no one is engaged with the IC, and no one can attack him.

So, lets say there's an IC attached to a unit. This unit assaults an enemy unit. Unfortunately, the IC was positioned in the back of his unit when the assault was declared. When the assault moves are made, this IC cannot get into B2B contact with an enemy model, but he can get within 2". Can this IC attack?

No, because he is treated as his own unit for attack allocation purposes. And a model can only attack if it is in base contact with the enemy, or within 2" of another model in its own unit which is in contact with the enemy.

Gotcha.