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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/13 05:32:49
Subject: C'Tan Shard - Time's Arrow Question
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Irked Necron Immortal
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From page 41 in the Necron Codex:
"At the start of the Assault phase, after assault moves have been made but before blows are struck, nominate one enemy model in base contact with the C'Tan Shard (if there are any). That model must pass an initiative test or be removed from play with no saves of any kind allowed."
How does this work in the following situations?
1) A Wraith with Whip Coils is in base with the model affected by Time's Arrow.
"Whilst any enemy model is in base contact with a model with whip coils they count their Initiative value as 1, regardless of their actual Initiative value" (page 44 of the Necron Codex)
2) A Cryptek Harbinger of Eternity has struck the model affected by Time's Arrow with an Aeonstave.
"Any enemy that suffers an unsaved Wound from an aeonstave loses the Fleet special rule (if it has it) and has his Weapon Skill, Ballistic Skill, Initiative, and Attacks values reduced to 1 for the remainder of the game." (page 84 of the Necron Codex)
3) The model affected by Time's Arrow is carrying a Thunder Hammer or Powerfist.
"...attacks with a power fist are always delivered at initiative 1 (ignore initiative bonuses from special rules, wargear, etc)." (page 42 of WH40k rulebook)
My assumption is that in the first two situations, the model's Initiative value is treated as 1, whereas in the third situation the model uses its normal Initiative score. It'd be nice to get confirmation though.
Also, unrelated question: I've been told that if Imotekh the Stormlord perishes, his Lord of the Storm ability continues to function. Trouble is, I can't find any support for this in the codex, and my friend (who, it should be noted, refers to Imotekh as "the Cheeselord") refuses to believe this without proof. He argues that since the lightning strikes do not affect the Necron player, the ability is being sustained by Imotekh. In my own opinion, it could go either way, and mostly hinges on whether the D6 roll is treated as being Imotekh's (effectively, him sustaining the storm) or not (the D6 reflecting the storm winding down naturally).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/13 05:54:05
Subject: C'Tan Shard - Time's Arrow Question
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Aizuwakamatsu, Fukushima, Japan
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You are right on the first three. For number three they only make attacks at initiative 1, whereas the first two make their initiative 1. A subtle, but important, difference.
On the Stormlord question, I believe it continues after his death (or before his arrival from reserves) because it's worded as "An army containing X does the following." It's not him doing it, it's the army as a whole. However I don't have the codex on hand so can't check.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/13 06:38:41
Subject: Re:C'Tan Shard - Time's Arrow Question
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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re: Imotekh
"If your army includes Imotekh the Stormlord..." is how that rule starts out. So here's my answer:
Look at any other IC in the game with an army-wide effect. Calgar, for example. Or Vulkan. What happens to their army-wide ability when the IC is killed? Why should it be any different with Imotekh?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/13 07:26:17
Subject: C'Tan Shard - Time's Arrow Question
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
Out in the country in Denmark. Zealand
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he men't the c'tan. not imotekh
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/13 08:41:33
Subject: C'Tan Shard - Time's Arrow Question
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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big mek crazygit wrote:he men't the c'tan. not imotekh
I don't see how. He said "Imotekh" and he referred to Imotekh's lightning effect.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/13 08:51:31
Subject: C'Tan Shard - Time's Arrow Question
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
Out in the country in Denmark. Zealand
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my bad. thought you talked about the main question.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/13 10:15:15
Subject: C'Tan Shard - Time's Arrow Question
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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I thought that, during characteristics tests, a model always uses its base value, regardless of any modifiers? Maybe I'm making that up. But I thought that, say, Plague Marines with a boost to their toughness due to the MoN would still take a toughness test at 4 instead of 5.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/13 10:23:52
Subject: C'Tan Shard - Time's Arrow Question
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Mutilatin' Mad Dok
Out in the country in Denmark. Zealand
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well, maybe the t4 is just for instant death?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/13 12:55:09
Subject: C'Tan Shard - Time's Arrow Question
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Tangent wrote:I thought that, during characteristics tests, a model always uses its base value, regardless of any modifiers? Maybe I'm making that up. But I thought that, say, Plague Marines with a boost to their toughness due to the MoN would still take a toughness test at 4 instead of 5.
Youre just making that up. Page 8 has no stipulation on "unmodified"
Sweeping Advance uses unmodified, because it states so. Plagues pass toughness tests on a 5-, not 4-
For the Aeonstave remember you would need to have already wounded them previously, as the Ctans ability is at the start of the phase.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/13 14:30:24
Subject: C'Tan Shard - Time's Arrow Question
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Ghastly Grave Guard
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Well there ya go.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/18 15:51:00
Subject: C'Tan Shard - Time's Arrow Question
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Deadly Dark Eldar Warrior
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Tangent wrote:I thought that, during characteristics tests, a model always uses its base value, regardless of any modifiers? Maybe I'm making that up. But I thought that, say, Plague Marines with a boost to their toughness due to the MoN would still take a toughness test at 4 instead of 5.
It does say regardless of modifiers, but what it is referring to is that 6 is an automatic fail and 1 is an automatic pass, regardless of modifiers. Which would actually show that there can indeed be modifiers to a test, like whip coils, powerfists, etc.
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