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Is this competitive?

HQ:
CCS: 145
Chimera, 4x meltas


Troops:

PCS: 85
Chimera

IS: 120
Chimera, meltabombs, meltagun

IS: 120
Chimera, meltabombs, meltagun

IS: 120
Chimera, meltabombs, meltagun

IS: 120
Chimera, meltabombs, meltagun

IS: 115
Chimera, meltagun

Vet Squad: 100 points
3x meltas

Vet Squad: 100 points
3x meltas

Vet Squad: 100 points
3x meltas

Fast Attack:

Vendetta: 130

Vendetta: 130

Vendetta: 130

Heavy Support:

Manticore: 160

Hydra Flak Tank: 75

Mech IG is always competitive, just due to the fact you have 10+ vehicles on the table. This list can be made a lot better though.

The infantry platoon is really not adding much here, the PCS has no special weapons in at all. Personally I'd take a 4th vet squad and give them all chimeras. Vendettas are not great vet carriers as you don't want them moving around the board as you lose so much shooting. If you want them as troop carriers go for valkyries instead.

If you can free the points I'd want another HS choice in there.

Yeah, I agree with Rum for the most part.

Your effective troops are in the Vendettas and your least effective troops are in the Chimeras... your only shooting your vets if you suicide them in while your PISs might be in combat from turn 2 on. Put the Vets in the Chimeras and put the PIS into the Vendettas... melta or flamer, your choice.

Why even bother with Melta bombs on the PISs? They are in a Chimera... those points could be turned into flamers for your PCS.

The goal of your list is to get within 6" of armor... you have a Manticore... what do you shoot at after turn 2 where you don't risk scattering into your own stuff? You can make it work, but don't be shocked if you hit your own stuff or have to choose Manticore or Chimera (thus limiting yourself).

I would drop the last PIS Chimera and get another Hydra and upgrade a Vet squad or two to plasma guns.

The only thing I don't like is the Veterans in the Vendettas. This will force the Vendettas to get close, they will spend time moving forward (when they should be shooting) and putting themselves into harms way. The Veterans will be suicide units as they will bail out, pop a vehicle and no doubt die next turn. I would put the Veterans into Chimeras.

The heavy support are good choices, but because they are seperate units they will fall victim to target priority. I would take double Manticores.

Could this list work? Tweaked it a bit.

HQ: CCS: 175 pts
Chimera, 4x meltaguns, Astropath

Troops:

PCS: 105 pts
Chimera

PIS: 60 pts
meltagun

PIS: 60 pts
meltagun

PIS: 60 pts
meltagun

Veteran Squad: 155 pts
3x meltaguns, Chimera

Veteran Squad: 155 pts
3x meltaguns, Chimera

Veteran Squad: 155 pts
3x meltaguns, Chimera

Fast Attack:
Vendetta: 130 points

Vendetta: 130 points

Vendetta: 130 points

Heavy Support:

Manticore: 160 pts

Manticore: 160 pts

Hydra flak tank: 75 pts

Got 4o points left dont know what to do with it.

You actually have 60pts left over as your PCS is 85pts, not 105pts. Naked PCS is 30pts, not 50pts.

Use 20-40pts to upgrade your PCS with 4x Flamers or 4x Melta guns.

You can upgrade your CCS to plasma guns for 20pts to give you some plasma fun.

I am not sure if the Astropath is nessary, as I would want my Vendettas on the board on turn 1. Only real use I see for him is to completily reserve my entire army and if you do that your Chimeras are further away and your manticores are not shooting. Your Hydras can at least fire 1 weapon when they come on and your Vendettas are fine, but in general your screwing yourself more than helping yourself.



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If you do drop your Astropath, I would suggest the following...

PIS - 70pts
PW, flamer, Melta bomb

Do this for each PIS and then use these guys to burn out cover save based troops. You can then assault with them and have half a chance. For a different list I threw a commissar in each PIS and suggested in a kill point game to blob them up... Your shrinking 3 kill points down to 1 kill point and your 30 man blob would have 6 power weapons in it. To add in a Commissar and equip him will cost an additional 45pts, which might be out of your range.

Can you get subscribed on to something by other then posting as i'm subscribed to this?



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yeh you can, don't worry.

My bad, I mean't to have the Officer of Fleet instead of Astropath.
Ok so i'll make my PCS have 4x flamers now and then im giving all my PISs meltabombs too. My Command squad is getting 4 plasma guns and that will bring me up to 1745.



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Is that better?

Yeah. Take those last 5pts and get a bolter for your CCS commander to Rapid Fire along with the Plasma guns and give your fav sergeant a bolt pistol.

You will then be 1749pts! No such thing as wasted points in IG!

No, no.

The infantry platoon in your first list was a good idea because it let you field 12 vehicles at 1750 points (although, if you made a list like this, you'd have 11 at 1500). Currently, they're only KP sieves that can't hold objectives well.

Infantry platoons need either chimeras or commissars. Going naked isn't a good idea.

Ailaros, the PIS are riding in the Vendettas instead of the Vets, making his Vets more useful. Vendettas are better than Chimeras. Vets are better activily in combat then PIS. He loses 2 Chimera, but those Chimeras have no real threat behind them when PIS or naked PCS drive them.

Now his troop choices are actual threats and can't be ignored.

His list is 10 times better then the first one he listed.

Thanks for the help! I really appreciate it!