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How good would Grey Knights act against non-Chaos foes if Imperium ever need their support in that matter?
Post your opinions for factions:

a) Eldar
b) Dark Eldar
c) Orks
d) Tau
e) Tyranids
f) Necrons

( note: Please use fluff as a reference, not TT rules and stats )

How good would a force like the Death Wing armed with force weapons go in the above situations?

They would do fine, but with the exception of Dark Eldar and maybe the Eldar, they would never be deployed. The Chamber Militant concerned with xenos is the Deathwatch, who specialize in dealing with aliens like the GK is to daemons.

Sadly, they have never had there own codex Maybe it would be cool if we had a Codex: Chamber Militant that combined the Grey Knights and Deathwatch.

It is stated in fluff that gk will fight any of the mentioned threats. Chaos is their main enemy but they will not let enemies of man live if encountered. The main reason fluff wise they never had a ton of exp fighting xenos is there were to few gk. Plus in many stories a bulk of the gk were fighting in the eye of terror. FFG in their fluff they wrote for the game dark heresy said that on occasion let a gk fight in dw if needed but only a strike member not a purifier, pergation, etc.

Draigo wrote:It is stated in fluff that gk will fight any of the mentioned threats. Chaos is their main enemy but they will not let enemies of man live if encountered. The main reason fluff wise they never had a ton of exp fighting xenos is there were to few gk. Plus in many stories a bulk of the gk were fighting in the eye of terror. FFG in their fluff they wrote for the game dark heresy said that on occasion let a gk fight in dw if needed but only a strike member not a purifier, pergation, etc.

While it is true that the Grey Knights will indeed fight the afformented threats, the will not actively seek out battles involving these enemies.

This is not due to lack of numbers; they have the exact same strength as any other chapter in terms of numbers, probably more. This is mainly due to the fact the were created to fight daemons. Not xenos, but daemons.

I have never read any canological piece of background saying that the Grey Knights were ever inside the Eye of Terror - besides Draigo of course - care to provide some?

Iranna.

I don't think theY would get dispatched to deal with a threat other than Daemons, but if they were to cross paths i'm sure they would do the same thing that they would against foul warp spawn ...

CLEANSE THEM WITH PSYBOLT AND FLAME!!!

The old Daemonhunters codex has 2 pages of just fluff reasons why Grey Knights would fight any given army. There were 5-6 generic reasons and then 5-6 for each given army. They were all along the reasons of the enemy commander is possessed, they have a daemon artifact, they disrupted a holy warding site, they reactivated a daemonic site, etc. One particularly amusing reason was given for Eldar "The Avatar is pretty much a Daemon when you think about it".

There was only one reason given for why the GK would fight Chaos "They are Chaos, what more reason do they need?"

CrashCanuck wrote:The old Daemonhunters codex has 2 pages of just fluff reasons why Grey Knights would fight any given army. There were 5-6 generic reasons and then 5-6 for each given army. They were all along the reasons of the enemy commander is possessed, they have a daemon artifact, they disrupted a holy warding site, they reactivated a daemonic site, etc. One particularly amusing reason was given for Eldar "The Avatar is pretty much a Daemon when you think about it".

There was only one reason given for why the GK would fight Chaos "They are Chaos, what more reason do they need?"

Unfortunately, Daemonhunters no longer exist.

The new fluff is "We only fight Daemons. But if anyone else gets involved then we'll kill them too. My my my Sister, your blood looks rather pure today..."

Iranna.

Iranna wrote:My my my Sister, your blood looks rather pure today..."

That was quick.

CrashCanuck wrote:The old Daemonhunters codex has 2 pages of just fluff reasons why Grey Knights would fight any given army. There were 5-6 generic reasons and then 5-6 for each given army. They were all along the reasons of the enemy commander is possessed, they have a daemon artifact, they disrupted a holy warding site, they reactivated a daemonic site, etc. One particularly amusing reason was given for Eldar "The Avatar is pretty much a Daemon when you think about it".

There was only one reason given for why the GK would fight Chaos "They are Chaos, what more reason do they need?"

That is a good point actually. I suppose if a Daemon artifact of sorts is in the possession of the Tau then they might be sent to reclaim it. I think that was where I saw the article on Nurgle Orks actually and the famous picture

Would the GK be good at battling warp entities other than Daemons, like the Enslavers and Psychneuein? Knowing their True Names and a few fancy poems isn't going to help banish them back to the warp. Or would races like this be the remit of the Ordo Xenos?

Iranna wrote:
Unfortunately, Daemonhunters no longer exist.

The new fluff is "We only fight Daemons. But if anyone else gets involved then we'll kill them too. My my my Sister, your blood looks rather pure today..."

Iranna.

So whats happened to the Ordo Malleus then?

If an Inquisitor was hunting down an artifact or a renegade chapter then they could still call on the services of the Grey Knights if need be. The might of the Inquisition hasn't changed as far as I know.

pretre wrote:
That was quick.

Thanks, I pride myself on my speed.

Pilau Rice wrote:So whats happened to the Ordo Malleus then?

If an Inquisitor was hunting down an artifact or a renegade chapter then they could still call on the services of the Grey Knights if need be. The might of the Inquisition hasn't changed as far as I know.

Nothing has happened to the Ordo Malleus. Rather, the roles the Grey Knights played in the Daemonhunters codex has been reversed: the Grey Knights are now the focus and the Ordo Malleus is the "added flavour".

I'm sure he could also, however, my point was that the Grey Knights would not actively attack Xenos/ non-chaos renegades. Sure they'll help, but they won't scour the galaxy for them; that's why the Astartes exist.

Iranna.

As far as proof to them being in the Eye, it was stated several times in Ben counters gk books. That was why the main character Alric could never ask for more support during each book. Granted the new codex may change stuff but that was a reason stated prior to the new codex.

Draigo wrote:As far as proof to them being in the Eye, it was stated several times in Ben counters gk books. That was why the main character Alric could never ask for more support during each book. Granted the new codex may change stuff but that was a reason stated prior to the new codex.

Hmm, I must check these books out. That's 3 times now I've been told about them today!

Iranna.

Well its one of the few books where they are main characters. Though the main character alric isnt the stereotype. He is described as more of a free thinker then the typical gk. lol Each book plays against the various stereotypes. Like how sm are normally not flexible thinkers(which is said in the book not my opinion), them trying to handle intrique(which gk hate about the inquisition), and finally what would you do to surivive. The end of the 3rd book is interesting but I wont divulge too much on that .

Ben Counters GK books are good, the reason most of the GKs are at the EoT is because of the Black Crusade occuring at the time the books are set at.

Iranna wrote:Nothing has happened to the Ordo Malleus. Rather, the roles the Grey Knights played in the Daemonhunters codex has been reversed: the Grey Knights are now the focus and the Ordo Malleus is the "added flavour".

I'm sure he could also, however, my point was that the Grey Knights would not actively attack Xenos/ non-chaos renegades. Sure they'll help, but they won't scour the galaxy for them; that's why the Astartes exist.

Iranna.

But you were saying Daemonhunters do not exist anymore

My earlier post was saying much the same about them not being sent to anything other than daemonic incursions.

Would a Grey Knight task force not be sent to track a Daemon Prince down?

Pilau Rice wrote:

But you were saying Daemonhunters do not exist anymore

My earlier post was saying much the same about them not being sent to anything other than daemonic incursions.

Would a Grey Knight task force not be sent to track a Daemon Prince down?

But Daemonhunters DON'T exist anymore, just the Grey Knights and the Ordo Malleus.

If an Ordo Malleus Inquisitor was hunting down an artefact or Chaotic renegade chapter could call in the Grey Knghts. Ordo Xenos would use deathwatch (and wouldn't chase down a chapter anyway) and Ordo hereticus would use SOB as they, are their respective fighting bodies. Re-reading your last post.

Indeed, as he is Daemonic.

Iranna.

Then on that logic, the reason the Grey Knights would fight any xenos army

1) The xenos have a daemonic artifact and an Inquisitor requested the GKs retrieve it

2) Xenos activity is occuring where a warp gate once stood and is at risk of opening, GKs intercede in case the gate does open

3) Xenos attack the GKs, burden of reason is now on the Xenos (all SM look alike works here)

4) Xenos force includes some form of daemon that the GKs have decided must be destroyed (DE Mandrakes, Eldar Avatar)

5) Xenos commander is possessed by a daemon

6) Xenos are in early stages of Nurgle's Rot, GKs intercede to prevent daemonic disease outbreak

CrashCanuck wrote:Then on that logic, the reason the Grey Knights would fight any xenos army

1) The xenos have a daemonic artifact and an Inquisitor requested the GKs retrieve it

2) Xenos activity is occuring where a warp gate once stood and is at risk of opening, GKs intercede in case the gate does open

3) Xenos attack the GKs, burden of reason is now on the Xenos (all SM look alike works here)

4) Xenos force includes some form of daemon that the GKs have decided must be destroyed (DE Mandrakes, Eldar Avatar)

5) Xenos commander is possessed by a daemon

6) Xenos are in early stages of Nurgle's Rot, GKs intercede to prevent daemonic disease outbreak

Those are basically all the reasons given in the old Daemonhunters codex.

Iranna.

Well in the 2nd counter book the gk fought dark mechanicus which isnt entirely the stereotypical daemon infestation.

Iranna wrote:
Those are basically all the reasons given in the old Daemonhunters codex.

Iranna.

Which is why I mentioned the Daemonhunter codex instead of listing them before, the reasons are still valid even if most of the fluff is outdated or has been retconned.

Draigo wrote:Well in the 2nd counter book the gk fought dark mechanicus which isnt entirely the stereotypical daemon infestation.

Don't they build daemon engines?

Medium of Death wrote:

Draigo wrote:Well in the 2nd counter book the gk fought dark mechanicus which isnt entirely the stereotypical daemon infestation.

Don't they build daemon engines?

Usually, but that wasn't what this particular group was up to. Given the situation of the world the team was sent to, sending along a GK made good sense.
I did not particularly like the way Alric won in the end, it really didn't hold together. I did like the nature of the enemy he faced.

All in all, they're three solid (for 40k) books, well worth picking up the omnibus.