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So basically this is the situation.

My opponent was Bret, and he had a Knights of the realm unit (9knights), which also had a BSB, Damsel, and Lord (all of which started in that unit from the start of the game too btw, if relevant). So a total of 12 models.

Now he fights my guys, everyone dies except for the Lord and the Damsel, and they lose combat and flee.

Now next turn when they rally. Are they at less than 25% of the original unit. or does that unit count as dead and they are now two independent characters?

I've read that when it's just the one character, he/she is just an independent character without the unit. so now below 25% rules applies.
BUT, in this situation, there's another character there too, when two characters are together, are they still "independent characters"
Or do they now for a unit of 2 characters that are the last 2 of the 12?
Or are they a completely new unit of only 2 characters.
Keep in mind that they all started within that unit from the start of the game [BRB makes a note of this].

Or is it irrelevant how many characters are left, the fact and the matter is all of the Knights are dead so they are completely ignored for calculating.

On the similar note, if a Dark elf sorceress is with only one other model, and she sacrificial daggers that model, killing it. Does she panic herself?

Oh, also, can you rally and cast magic?
   
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On the perfumed wind

The Knights of the Realm are wiped out, leaving a unit of two characters. If it was the result of shooting, they must check for panic (unit wiped out within 6"). If they fled from combat once that happened, they may rally, as they are now at 100% of their unit size of two.

A Dark Elf sorceress, could panic herself by daggering the last man in her unit, though she would be allowed to rally as normal in her next turn.

You may rally and cast magic.

“It was in lands of the Chi-An where she finally ran him to ground. There she kissed him deeply as he lay dying, and so stole from him his last, agonized breath.

On a delicate chain at her throat, she keeps it with her to this day.”
 
   
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Raging Ravener




The Black Planet

I agree with RZ in terms of rallying as normal using own Ld rather than on snake eye due to below 25%. However another question arises - do they rally independantly because they are now 2 separate IP's or do they both rally on 1 Ld test using the highest Ld ?

I'm not quoting from the BRB but more from general belief, but IIRC IPs can't join together to make their own unit & act as one unit, i.e. 1 Ld test for panic, 1 dice roll for charge range, etc, but would have to act as 2 separate units both consisting of 1 IP & test independantly. This would include rallying from the OP's fleeing.

Does everyone agree (which I know nevers happens on forums . . .) or not ?

Don't Panic !

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I'm not sure what the term IP is for, but two characters most certainly can join together to form a unit of just characters. This is even specifically mentioned in the early part of the rulebook (which I don't have on me or I'd cite a page number )

The two would still be a unit, which means they would be allowed to rally on the highest LD between them. This is covered in the Rulebook FAQ here:

Q: At what point after a unit has been wiped out do any characters
remaining count as having left the unit? (p101)
A: As soon as the last model from the unit has been removed,
any remaining characters will count as a new unit. Note that
this will cause Panic tests to all friendly units within 6"
(including the newly formed unit of character(s)) as the unit
has been destroyed.
   
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Raging Ravener




The Black Planet

Whoops

IP should have been IC for Independant Characters. !

Guess my mind must have already gone on holiday

Didn't know about the unit of characters - thanks

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IC is a 40k term - fantasy just has Character
   
 
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