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This is a two-part inquiry:

1. When playing on a team, are Daemons allowed use of an allied Locator Beacon (as described in the vanilla marines codex) to avoid scatter? For example, a Blood Angel Scout squad with Beacon scouts its way onto the table, then during turn one, the Daemons use the Scouts' Beacon to avoid scatter.

2. Do you measure the allotted 6" before or after placing the model when using Locator Beacons or Chaos Icons? The Beacon entry seems to imply that you can, and the Icon entry doesn't really seem to lean one way or the other.

For the convenience of those that may or may not be near a rulebook at this exact moment, here are the rulings for all mentioned rules:

Locator Beacon (Space Marine Codex, page 67, Scout Bike Squad):
[Fluff Redacted for Convenience]
If a unit wishes to arrive on the battlefield via deep strike and chooses to do so within 6" of a model carrying a locator beacon, then it won't scatter. Note that the locator beacon must already be on the table at the start of the turn for it to be used.

Chaos Icon (Chaos Daemon Codex, page 73, Daemonic Gifts):
[Fluff Redacted for Convenience]
When a friendly unit Deep Strikes within 6" of an Icon of Chaos, it does not roll for scatter, provided that the icon was on the table from the beginning of the turn and has not arrived from Reserve in the same turn.

Deep Strike (Warhammer 40k Rulebook 5th Edition, page 95, Mission Special Rules):
[Portions Irrelevant to Current Discussion Redacted]
First Place one model from the unit anywhere on the table, in the position you would like the unit to arrive, then roll the scatter dice. If you roll a hit the model stays where it is, but if an arrow is shown this determines the direction the model is scattered in. If a scatter occurs, roll 2D6 to see how many inches the model moves away from the intended position.
Once this is done, the unit's remaining models are arranged around the first one.

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1) Team games are not supported by the base rule set, but common opinion is that each army on the team does not gain the beneficial special rules and wargear of the other armies of the team.

2) Pre-measuring is forbidden in every other case I can think of. I think you place the centre model, then measure.
   
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LoneGamer is correct on both counts - place the initial deep strike marker, measure to see if it's within 6", roll scatter if it's not.

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I recently played in a 1250+1250 vs 1250+1250 tourney at my FLGS, and there was a Blood Angel/Daemons team.
The Daemon player had a Fateweaver and was giving rerolls to BA models, and similarly the BA player was giving the Daemons FNP.
They ended up getting first place D:

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If the TO allowed it that's fine. Usually you shouldn't allow that specifically because of combinations like that.

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Gonna have to talk to the judges about it then.

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LoneGamer wrote:1) Team games are not supported by the base rule set, but common opinion is that each army on the team does not gain the beneficial special rules and wargear of the other armies of the team.

For what it's worth, this is how it works in Apocalypse, which is the only place outside of house rules or tournament-specific rules that you will find rules for team games.

 
   
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That's what I thought, I'll bring this up next tourney and see what the general consensus is.

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I agree with the answers so far, but one expansion/similar case to question 2 I'd like to mention, is Summoned Lesser Daemons from the Chaos Space Marines book. With them you actually CAN pre-measure, because they're not allowed to DS anywhere outside 6" of an icon. Daemons from the Daemons codex, OTOH, like terminators or obliterators DSing in the CSM codex, can DS anywhere on the table, so for those units you have to place the first model, then check to see if it's within 6" to find out whether it'll scatter.

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As long as the rules were posted in advance and known by all it shouldn't be an issue. Once did a team tourney where my partner and I brought Orks and were paired against a dual Necron list (prior DEX). TO allowed the Necron players to use each other's Monoliths and Res Orbs for teleporting and WBB rolls but oddly enough ruled against us using each others' WAAAAGH!
   
 
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