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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/23 12:16:49
Subject: Assault question & mindshjackle scarabs
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I'll do the easy one first. Do mindshackle scarabs work each round in assault? Just says they work after assault moves, but before blows are struck, so I would have thought so.
Next one; two of my units are engaged in close combat with two enemy units in a massive multi assault. One of the enemy units is engaged with two of my units and the other enemy unit engaged with one. When things start dying, can I move models in base contact with the enemy unit engaged with two of my units so that only models from a single unit remain in base contact? This would mean that the enemy unit is only engaged with one of my units now and would have to pile in the unit they are engaged with. Any ideas?
Thanks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/23 12:32:29
Subject: Assault question & mindshjackle scarabs
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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1) Each round. It doesn't say after the equipped models assault move, so it only describes timing.
2) You can not withdraw models which are in base contact from combat. If models are not in base contact, they must obey the requirements for assault moves when piling in (unengaged enemies -> base contact -> in combat -> coherency). Which unit the enemy belongs to doesn't matter, as long as they are part of the same combat.
So that huge close combat fight only ends if one side is completely wiped out or leaves combat for whatever reason. If one unit finds itself having killed all models of their initial target, they would have to pile into the rest of the enemies.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/12/23 12:49:14
7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/23 12:48:27
Subject: Assault question & mindshjackle scarabs
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Tower of Power
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I thought so about the mindshackles.
I can see where I went wrong on the assault and read about multiple assaults - everything just piles in, like you said.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/23 13:17:07
Subject: Assault question & mindshjackle scarabs
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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For 2, not sure what you mean
If you mean can you REMOVE as casualties models in btb - then the answer is "yes", as long as you have obeyed wound groupings etc.
If you mean can you pile in by moving models that are in btb, then the answer is no, as model in btb cannot move.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/23 15:49:11
Subject: Assault question & mindshjackle scarabs
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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For the second I think he's asking this: His Units A and B have been multi-assaulted by enemy Units 1 and 2. Unit 1 is in CC with both units A and B, whereas Unit 2 is only in combat with Unit B. When things from Units A start dying, can he remove the models that are in BTB with Unit 1, so that they are only in combat with Unit B, in order to force Unit 1 to pile-in solely against Unit B?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/23 15:57:19
Subject: Assault question & mindshjackle scarabs
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Tower of Power
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Yeah, as mentioned above. My units 1 and 2 have been assaulted by enemy units a and b. Unit 1 is in base contact with unit a and b, though unit 2 is only in contact with unit b. As unit 1 dies they are no longer in base contact with unit b, does unit b pile in, or can they no longer attack my unit 1 as no longer in base contact?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/23 16:06:13
Subject: Assault question & mindshjackle scarabs
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Ork Admiral Kroozin Da Kosmos on Da Hulk
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Who can attack what is figured out on a per-model basis at the beginning of combat.
Any models that were able to attack unit 2 at the beginning of combat can still hit them during that round of combat, even if models were removed to get them out of contact. At the end of this round, they would pile into either 1 or 2 according to pile-in rules. Next turn you figure out who can attack who again, before any blows are struck.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2011/12/23 16:06:50
7 Ork facts people always get wrong:
Ragnar did not win against Thrakka, but suffered two crushing defeats within a few days of each other.
A lasgun is powerful enough to sever an ork's appendage or head in a single, well aimed shot.
Orks meks have a better understanding of electrics and mechanics than most Tech Priests.
Orks actually do not think that purple makes them harder to see. The joke was made canon by Alex Stewart's Caphias Cain books.
Gharkull Blackfang did not even come close to killing the emperor.
Orks can be corrupted by chaos, but few of them have any interest in what chaos offers.
Orks do not have the power of believe. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/24 12:14:42
Subject: Assault question & mindshjackle scarabs
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Tower of Power
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Ok. Well unit 1 was in contact with enemy units a and b. At the end of combat, unit 1 was just in contact with enemy unit a and unit 2 just in contact with enemy unit b - does enemy unit b pile into my unit 1, as they was originally in base contact, though aren't no more, only unit 2 is in base contact with enemy unit b.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/24 12:20:16
Subject: Assault question & mindshjackle scarabs
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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It is still one multiassault, so they try to pile into eachother.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2011/12/24 14:24:11
Subject: Assault question & mindshjackle scarabs
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As per the multiassault rules, all models and units which were engaged at the start of that round are forced to try to Pile In at the end of the round if the combat is still going on but they are not in contact. However these pile-in moves are done sequentially (unit by unit and model by model within each unit), so it's possible that when one unit gets finished Piling In that another will be left out of the combat, because none of its models could get back into back contact. If so, it gets to Consolidate instead.
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