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20 stormboyz vs 5 deffkoptas

Why?

Who charges?

What do I think? I think you shouldn't make a spammy topic for the sake of it.

I think that those are two options for a Fast Attack slot in an Ork army...... Am I missing something?

Are you talking about them fighting one another? Or using either unit against an opponent? Gotta be a BIT more clear then that. Right now, your about as clear as a broken window, with some plywood covering the hole. You know theres a window under there, but you damn sure cant see outside

Needs the rest of your list so we can tell you which will fit in better.

To go with KC's analogy one is a screwdriver the other the hammer without knowing what you're using to hold the plank we can't really tell you which will go better besides looking at them alone.

We'll I'm thinking boyz with rokkit packs jumping into kopta blades causing spectacular crashes with great fireball-y explosions. But I don't think that helps you much.

Sorry about that the a d h d kick in im looking to see what people think about stormboyz in a fast attack army over the deffkopters ?

Not a fan of stormboyz, too soft, too fast, and too expensive for my tastes.

Deff Koptas are much faster for alot more durability and options you just can't do right with stormboyz. Mostly round 1 assualts on just about anything using a buzzsaw and rokkits.

Stormboyz tend to die fast when getting shot, while 5 koptaz tend to run away even faster when getting shot or tank shocked. If I had to chose, 20 stormboyz, because they can at least be salvaged by careful playing.

First off, they both serve two very different purposes in your list. If you are going first, then Deffkoptas with Twin Linked Rokkits and Buzzsaws can Scout 24", move 12", and Assault 6". I took out 2 Baal Predators turn 1 with my 2 Deffkoptas last weekend. However, they were immediately wasted, hence the usual description as a 'suicide' unit. Since they have a few things not going for them, such as low leadership, low attacks per Mob, low initiative, etc., they are not usually fielded in Mobs larger than 1.

If going second, those same Deffkoptas can be reserved and used to outflank the opponent.

Storm Boyz are also have mixed if not lower expectations because they are just 6+ armour save Slugga Boyz. They die as easily but at the same cost of 2 regular Boyz. I think a lot of the frustration comes from the false promise of Zagstruck allowing them to assault when they Deep Strike. Since Jump Infantry cannot have Fleet, and therefore not Waaagh!, you HAVE to Deep Strike within 6" of an enemy unit to benefit from Zagstruk. They only have a 56% chance of success, meaning half of the time they just sit there after they Deep Strike and get wasted, usually by the nearby unit they were hoping to assault. Another detractor is even though Zagstruk does have like 5 I4 S9 Power Weapon attacks on the charge, but he does not have the standard Ork Nob PK attacks in later rounds of combat.

I have used Stormboyz effectively in units of 16 or so with a regular PK Nob by Deep Striking them AWAY from danger, behind cover or out of LOS, then using their 12+D6" move and 6" charge to get 'em stuck in. I use the one Mob like Snikrot's Kommandoz (who are far superior in this role) to put pressure on my opponents from any direction I feel like, while running 2 Buzzkoptas in the other Fast Attack FOCs..

Ghenghis Jon wrote:First off, they both serve two very different purposes in your list. If you are going first, then Deffkoptas with Twin Linked Rokkits and Buzzsaws can Scout 24", move 12", and Assault 6". I took out 2 Baal Predators turn 1 with my 2 Deffkoptas last weekend. However, they were immediately wasted, hence the usual description as a 'suicide' unit. Since they have a few things not going for them, such as low leadership, low attacks per Mob, low initiative, etc., they are not usually fielded in Mobs larger than 1.

If going second, those same Deffkoptas can be reserved and used to outflank the opponent.

Storm Boyz are also have mixed if not lower expectations because they are just 6+ armour save Slugga Boyz. They die as easily but at the same cost of 2 regular Boyz. I think a lot of the frustration comes from the false promise of Zagstruck allowing them to assault when they Deep Strike. Since Jump Infantry cannot have Fleet, and therefore not Waaagh!, you HAVE to Deep Strike within 6" of an enemy unit to benefit from Zagstruk. They only have a 56% chance of success, meaning half of the time they just sit there after they Deep Strike and get wasted, usually by the nearby unit they were hoping to assault. Another detractor is even though Zagstruk does have like 5 I4 S9 Power Weapon attacks on the charge, but he does not have the standard Ork Nob PK attacks in later rounds of combat.

I have used Stormboyz effectively in units of 16 or so with a regular PK Nob by Deep Striking them AWAY from danger, behind cover or out of LOS, then using their 12+D6" move and 6" charge to get 'em stuck in. I use the one Mob like Snikrot's Kommandoz (who are far superior in this role) to put pressure on my opponents from any direction I feel like, while running 2 Buzzkoptas in the other Fast Attack FOCs..

i support this all of it!

Yep, what he said. I prefer Zagstrukk over a regular nob though, because of auto-passing morale checks.

Which do I prefer, Stormboys or Koptas? Simple...Rokkit Buggies!

@ Jidmah: Good point about auto-passing morale. I have yet to use Zagstruck without trying to assault on the Deep Strike, and the times I have, he has never lasted past the shooting phase.

The short answer to the question: No

The Long answer: nonononononononono

Deffkoptas give you rokkits, SCOUTS, and you can take a buzzsaw if you want to mix it up. Sure they have low leadership, but I've found that they usually vaporize if an opponent throws anti-tank weapons at them, and if they are throwing anti-tank weapons at my koptas, those weapons aren't going into my wagons. Also SCOUTS is a huge advantage, you can use the koptas to disrupt enemies later in the game, or to alpha-strike.

Now, I like stormboyz, they move fast and hit hard, but they gotta get into combat. not to mention the fact, that they cost twice as much as an ork boy. Yes, they move twice as fast, but at the cost of losing a model every time you roll a 1 for their rokkit packs (not to mention dangerous tests)

Mind you, he is asking about 5 kopta squads.

depends on what your planned use is, I use both very effectively. Stormboyz are a better take all comers choice due to the nob.

Stormboyz are far better because of the weight of attacks. they also have a potential assault range of 24"! Not bad especially when you add boss Zagstruk.

I use 2 flights of 5 koptas in my 2K army because they are fun. I've never used stormboyz, but in my mind they are just really expensive boyz.

Not a really a fan. Again, this is just based off the idea and not from actual play experience.

Well, I prefer stormboyz. You can actually buy those
Seriously, each kopta is what, $20?

I guess you could make some...but too much trouble.
Stormboyz are easier to convert. Just

1)Get a box of normal boyz

2)Glue spare rokkits onto them

3) ???

4) PROFIT!

You get three koptas for $10 off ebay. AOBR is the magic word.

Jidmah wrote:You get three koptas for $10 off ebay. AOBR is the magic word.

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