The Outsider - Robo-Cthulu

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**Crystal Geyser**

Hey all, so seeing as Ward retconed a load of Necron fluff, does the Outsider still exist? Is he still hanging around outside the galaxy in his bubble, gnawing on necrodermis C'tan-bones? What does he look like? Do you have any creative outsider fluff that you've made or read? What does he look like?

Most importantly, when Lexicanum says that he's trapped inside a dyson sphere, is it talking about one of these? http://www.dyson.com/homepage.asp?gclid=CL7woJzFnq0CFcZM4AodzB1iQA

**English Assassin**

From what I'm aware, the Outsider has been left deliberately unexplored for the sake of creating some mystery, though I would venture that what little information has been provided suggests something more akin to Yog-Sothoth or Hastur than to Cthulhu.

Amusing as the image of the mighty outer god, I mean C'tan, living in a vacuum cleaner is, I presume GW (as I strongly suspect you well know) were thinking of a big metal sphere with a sun at the centre.

**riplikash**

Ward really didn't 'retcon' so much as change the focus of the fluff. 99% of anything mentioned previously still exists (I can't think of anything that has been outright cut) but should now be interpreted in a different light.

As for any C'Tan like the Outsider, they all still exist, many have been sharded, other may still be free. The Outsider is likely still free and out there doing exactly what he was before.

**Veteran Sergeant**

I like how it becomes "Ward changed the fluff" as if he writes these things in a vacuum without any oversight from corporate, lol.

Of course, people blame Ward for the Ultramarines, without realizing that Rick Priestley called them "the greatest of all Space Marine chapters" and made up most of the fluff about Guilliman back in 1995.

**TheAngrySquig**

riplikash wrote:Ward really didn't 'retcon' so much as change the focus of the fluff. 99% of anything mentioned previously still exists (I can't think of anything that has been outright cut) but should now be interpreted in a different light.

As for any C'Tan like the Outsider, they all still exist, many have been sharded, other may still be free. The Outsider is likely still free and out there doing exactly what he was before.

Paraiahs are right out now. And I agree that the Outsider is still probably derping about the stars as of now

**Crystal Geyser**

Well I don't think anyone will miss the Pariahs. They had a cool bit of fluff being the next-gen Necrons, but in game they were about as effective in close combat as a Tau Fire Warrior, with the price tag of a Terminator. And we have to give Ward credit for phasing-out phase-out. That rule was a little b!+ch.

**Azure**

Pariah's were way cool. They, before the Necrons were shown to be able to make more of themselves, were the thing that kept the possibly low numbers from bothering the full Necron force. They could capture people and using some sort of dark science, create a mutated hybrid of both man and machine that was wholly loyal to the Necron Empire. Even after numbers weren't a problem they still were this added threat to the worlds invaded by Necrons, that any Pariahs that would be there (admittedly a lower number) could be captured then turned upon the populace as a face that was more easily recognizable but still terrifying.

They also added potential reason for Necrons harvesting organs, glands and people in general, as opposed to why they might do it now

**CrashCanuck**

Well Necrons as they are now could still be harvesting people, but not pieces, instead harvesting subjects to test a way of reversing the bio-transference (if that particular Necron group desires to reverse it)

**King Pariah**

The Outsider,due to how the fluff is now, I figure is a collection of random shards from random C'tan all uniting as one new C'tan. Now it's probably waiting in the shadows, gathering more shards until it becomes powerful enough to wipe out all of the Necrons out of revenge, and probably all life as well.

**Squidmanlolz**

I think this will end up like the C'tan Dragon, we may not hear about it for another codex or two. Also, I hope when the Dragon is reawakened that he fights for the Imperium.

**King Pariah**

Squidmanlolz wrote:Also, I hope when the Dragon is reawakened that he fights for the Imperium.

I hope not.

**Squidmanlolz**

King Pariah wrote:
Squidmanlolz wrote:Also, I hope when the Dragon is reawakened that he fights for the Imperium.

I hope not.

He IS the reason the Imperium has technology and an understanding of the machine spirits.

**King Pariah**

Squidmanlolz wrote:
King Pariah wrote:
Squidmanlolz wrote:Also, I hope when the Dragon is reawakened that he fights for the Imperium.

I hope not.

He IS the reason the Imperium has technology and an understanding of the machine spirits.

So?

**Squidmanlolz**

So, if he reawakens 1 of 2 things will happen:
He will side with the Imperium
OR
He will join the other C'tans and aid the Necrons. (Humanity will lose the ability to produce technology (all current tech may be rendered null))

Option 2 sucks pretty hard compared to option 1

**King Pariah**

Squidmanlolz wrote:So, if he reawakens 1 of 2 things will happen:
He will side with the Imperium
OR
He will join the other C'tans and aid the Necrons. (Humanity will lose the ability to produce technology (all current tech may be rendered null))

Option 2 sucks pretty hard compared to option 1

...

HAve you read current fluff? There is no way that he'd side with Necrons, my bet is that if my theory on the Outsider is anywhere close to what it may be, he'll hook up with the Outsider for vengeance. And not being a big fan of the Imperium and a fan of grimdarkness, I'd rather not have a God ally with the Imperium, or any race for that matter.

**Squidmanlolz**

Humanity did kind of imprison the Dragon for a long time.
Then again they did technically imprison the emperor as he didn't want to be preserved past death or be worshiped as a god but whatever...

**NL_Cirrus**

riplikash wrote:Ward really didn't 'retcon' so much as change the focus of the fluff. 99% of anything mentioned previously still exists (I can't think of anything that has been outright cut) but should now be interpreted in a different light.

As for any C'Tan like the Outsider, they all still exist, many have been sharded, other may still be free. The Outsider is likely still free and out there doing exactly what he was before.

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**Thatguy91**

The dragon siding with the empire is almost as ridiculous as the emperor siding with chaos. There is just no way. The dragon was never impressed by humans, he simply saw another creature to manipulate and use to forward himself and his role in the galaxy. They are greedy, selfish beings of pure energy, not humans.

**English Assassin**

Don't worry, the Dragon won't wake up.

**daveNYC**

King Pariah wrote:The Outsider,due to how the fluff is now, I figure is a collection of random shards from random C'tan all uniting as one new C'tan. Now it's probably waiting in the shadows, gathering more shards until it becomes powerful enough to wipe out all of the Necrons out of revenge, and probably all life as well.

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The Outsider is more Azathoth than anything.

**DeffDred**

I always thought the Outsider was the Hivemind.

**CthuluIsSpy**

DeffDred wrote:I always thought the Outsider was the Hivemind.

No. He is not.
The idea that the outsider is the Hivemind is pure speculation without any basis.
If anything, he is the antithesis of the Hivemind, as there was a case where a Hive fleet completely changed course to avoid contact with his sphere.

Yeah, He is more Azathoth than Cthulu.
The Deceiver I think is somewhat like Nyarlthotep. You know, meddling and consorting with mortals to misguide them and forward his own goals, that sorta thing.

**Crystal Geyser**

King Pariah, the Outsider is described as having devoured the essences of other C'tan. That lends Creedence to your thoughts, as perhaps the Outsider, trying to gain power, absorbed C'tan Shards? TThat's possible.

**CthuluIsSpy**

Isn't that the same thing?

Essence = Life Force
Shards = Life Force (though a bit chunkier)

**King Pariah**

Crystal Geyser wrote:King Pariah, the Outsider is described as having devoured the essences of other C'tan. That lends Creedence to your thoughts, as perhaps the Outsider, trying to gain power, absorbed C'tan Shards? TThat's possible.

Currently my thoughts are more along the lines that at first a few shards found one another and agreed upon taking vengeance upon the necrons and forcefully merged themselves to form a new C'tan known as the outsider (this is assuming that Ward had the outsider broken into shards as well). Whether or not ward broek the outsider as well, i figure that now the outsider is prowling silently amongst the stars hunting down other shards to consume and become part of the whole whether they be willing or not for the sake of revenge. Not so much for the sake of it's fallen brethren (considering how selfish and fickle the c'tan seem) but rather it's wounded pride and vanity.

**theflaminghorror**

That seems very believable, my idea was somewhat along the idea of yours King Pariah but without the shards. My thought is that the necrons never found and captured the outsider due to his reputation. But now seeing that the other C'tan are broken, and the current state of the necrons, the outsider is returning to gain more power form the other C'tans since they are vulnerable.

**King Pariah**

Yours is also very believable, I suppose we may find out in the next couple new codexes to come out for the Crons.... or in a couple decades. lol Til then, we're just making hopeful speculations... Watch, Matt Ward is going to prove us both wrong and say the Outsider is a new c'tan born from a warp star (whatever the hell that may be) and loves bunnies, hugs, rainbows, and gumballs.

**theflaminghorror**

And watch him have Ultramarines second company come in with Marneus Calgar to save the day and kill the outsider with some over powered rule