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Screaming Shining Spear





Western Australia

Couple of real game examples to follow...

1. A talos manages to charge a pair of IG armoured sentinels. The talos inflicts 3 penetrating hits. 2 are allocated to sentinel 1 and 1 is allocated to sentinel 2. Damage is rolled resulting in a stun/immobilised for sentinel 1 and a explodes for sentinel 2.

Q - is the immobilised sentinel wrecked as per the squadron rules or is it immobilised as its buddy is just so much expanding plasma? The squadron rues simply state to allocate glance/pens per initiative step. Logically, the damage results would be applied at the same time but that does not help in this case. I could not find anything defined in this sort of scenario...

2. A unit of 8 necron scarabs assaults a squadron of 2 vendetta. They only manage to get base to base with 1 of the 2 vendetta. After rolling to hit they manage a total of 10 entropic strikes.

Q - how is this applied??? I can see several different possibilities. You only allocate glances and pens, nothing about hits. The way i see it you can do one of the following ....

a) apply all 10 ES to 1 vendetta resulting in its wreck (rear AV10 reduced to zero)
b) divide the strikes evenly (ie allocate) and reduce both AV by 5
c) apply all 10 ES to both vendetta resulting in both being wrecked

All of them have issues of their own and none have a backing in the rules i can see.

Look forward to your thoughts!

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For 1 - at the time the damage is applied, the Sentinel is part of the squadron, so the squadron rules will apply.


Can't answer 2, as I don't have the codex on me for the wording of ES.

 
   
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Screaming Shining Spear





Western Australia

That was my initial thoughts... but my opponent argued that as i had rolled the destroyed result before the other 2 then the lone sentinel would revert to a single vehicle.

I was happy with this at the time as it locked my talos up in his turn!

Edit
As for ES - it tells you to roll to hit as normal (in this case a 4+ due to the vendetta moving) and then roll for entropic strike (4+) with no mention of how it interacts with squadrons

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Massaen wrote:Couple of real game examples to follow...

1. A talos manages to charge a pair of IG armoured sentinels. The talos inflicts 3 penetrating hits. 2 are allocated to sentinel 1 and 1 is allocated to sentinel 2. Damage is rolled resulting in a stun/immobilised for sentinel 1 and a explodes for sentinel 2.

Q - is the immobilised sentinel wrecked as per the squadron rules or is it immobilised as its buddy is just so much expanding plasma? The squadron rues simply state to allocate glance/pens per initiative step. Logically, the damage results would be applied at the same time but that does not help in this case. I could not find anything defined in this sort of scenario...


Both Sentinels are destroyed. It was a squadron when it was shot at so immobilzed = wrecked.

2. A unit of 8 necron scarabs assaults a squadron of 2 vendetta. They only manage to get base to base with 1 of the 2 vendetta. After rolling to hit they manage a total of 10 entropic strikes.

Q - how is this applied??? I can see several different possibilities. You only allocate glances and pens, nothing about hits. The way i see it you can do one of the following ....


Well technically both vehicles were hit so it's perfectly valid to argue that both Vendettas are at -10 armor. But there is no real distinction on how to apply entropic strike against squadrons. This is something you have to figure out with your opponent until it's covered by an errata/FAQ.
   
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Screaming Shining Spear





Western Australia

The problem is there is no method supplied to allow any for sure.

We ended up with B as it seemed the most fair

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Massaen wrote:The problem is there is no method supplied to allow any for sure.

We ended up with B as it seemed the most fair


Agreed, we play with B as well. It prevents alot of arguments and makes it balanced.

   
 
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