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Pretty straighforward list, what I want to know is any ways to improve on it or make it more efficient. Thanks!

HQ:

Castellan: 65
w/ power weapon
w/ bolt pistol
w/ melta bombs
total: 86

Troops:

Squad of 8 Initiates: 128
6 with bolt pistols and CCW's
1 sergeant w/ power weapon and bolt pistol
1 w/ meltagun
all w/ frag grenades
total: 156

Squad of 8 Initiates: 128 points
6 with bolt pistols and CCW's
1 sergeant w/ power weapon and bolt pistol
1 w/ meltagun
total: 148 points

Fast Attack:

Squad of 3 initiate bikers: 96
2 with bolt pistols, twin linked bolters, and frag grenades
1 w/ meltagun, twin linked bolters, and frag grenades
total: 106

ARMY TOTAL: 496

Basic idea is the bike squad goes and captures an objective early, and holds it till the first crusader squad can assist, while the second crusader squad and castellan go for another objective and try to hold or contest it.

To be honest, its too small a point limit to be effective. The EC is simply too much of an army buff to nou have

Madscience wrote:Pretty straighforward list, what I want to know is any ways to improve on it or make it more efficient. Thanks!

HQ:

Castellan: 65
w/ power weapon + 15 points
w/ bolt pistol + 1 point
w/ melta bombs + 5 points
total: 86

Troops:

Squad of 8 Initiates: 128
6 with bolt pistols and CCW's
1 sergeant w/ power weapon and bolt pistol + 10 points
1 w/ meltagun + 10 points
all w/ frag grenades + 8 points
total: 156

Squad of 8 Initiates: 128 points
6 with bolt pistols and CCW's
1 sergeant w/ power weapon and bolt pistol + 10 points
1 w/ meltagun + 10 points
total: 148 points

Fast Attack:

Squad of 3 initiate bikers: 96
2 with bolt pistols, twin linked bolters, and frag grenades
1 w/ meltagun, twin linked bolters, and frag grenades + 10 points
total: 106

ARMY TOTAL: 496

Basic idea is the bike squad goes and captures an objective early, and holds it till the first crusader squad can assist, while the second crusader squad and castellan go for another objective and try to hold or contest it.

Honestly, you would be better served with a chaplain with a bolt pistol as an hq, he is much more efficient than a Castelan. and you would be better served using rhinos for your squads over the bikes, your squads are just to small otherwise, as well we BT's don't have sergeants, they are just a normal brother. one thing to think about though, is most people at 500 point BT use solely foot slogging for the added bodies.

and crusader, at 500 points the EC is far to expensive to have in a 500 point list, yes he is good, but the good he can do is outweighed by the percentage of the army he takes up, a full 30% of the army is taken by one model, just to much of an expense.

and mad science, you need to remove all the individual points costs, GW doesn't like this calling it a breach of IP laws, so we self police and make sure they aren't posted, model cost is fine but wargear needs to be avoided.

chaplaincliff wrote:Honestly, you would be better served with a chaplain with a bolt pistol as an hq, he is much more efficient than a Castelan. and you would be better served using rhinos for your squads over the bikes, your squads are just to small otherwise, as well we BT's don't have sergeants, they are just a normal brother. one thing to think about though, is most people at 500 point BT use solely foot slogging for the added bodies.

and crusader, at 500 points the EC is far to expensive to have in a 500 point list, yes he is good, but the good he can do is outweighed by the percentage of the army he takes up, a full 30% of the army is taken by one model, just to much of an expense.

and mad science, you need to remove all the individual points costs, GW doesn't like this calling it a breach of IP laws, so we self police and make sure they aren't posted, model cost is fine but wargear needs to be avoided.

Point costs removed, thanks! You have a lot of good advice, I'll definitely switch out the castellan for a chaplain if a chaplain is more effective. Your right that squads in rhinos would most likely work better then two small squads and bikes, I was just considering that if the whole army was in vehicles a good chunk could get taken out with a lucky shot on the rhino. The part about the sergeants though, thanks on that too! And the last bit proves to be a good point, if it's only 500 points then I'd need as much firepower as possible, so your right it should be considered.

So going off of your adjustments I've drawn up two seperate ways that the updated list could go, one being mechanized in rhinos and one being only infantry, but more of them.

LIST 1 (Infantry list):

HQ:

Reclusiarch (Chaplain)
Bolt Pistol
Crozius
total: 96

Troops:

Crusader squad of 10 initiates 2 neophytes: 180
8 initiates with BP/CCW's
2 neophytes with BP/CCW's
One initiate with flamer
One initiate with power fist/BP
Total: 201

Crusader squad of 10 initiates 2 neophytes: 180
8 initiates with bolters
2 neophytes with BP/CCW's
One initiate with plasma
One initiate with power fist/BP
Total: 201

ARMY TOTAL: 498

The list above is going for more of your "more models on the table" approach, with the first squad going down the board with the second squad providing covering support.

LIST 2 (Rhino list):

Headquarters:

Reclusiarch (Chaplain)
Bolt Pistol
Crozius
total: 96

Troops:

Crusader squad of 8: 128
Rhino transport with smoke launchers
6 initiates with BP/CCW's
One initiate with power sword and bolt pistol
One initiate with melta gun
Total: 201

Crusader squad of 8: 128
Rhino transport with smoke launchers
6 initiates with BP/CCW's
One initiate with power sword and bolt pistol
One initiate with melta gun
Total: 201

ARMY TOTAL: 498

This list is going for your "use rhinos" idea, which uses the rhinos to transport the crusader squads down the board with the chaplain with them, and taking the fight to the enemy.

Oh and lastly I forgot to say, can you go into your quote in your post and edit out the point scores in that too? They're still there. Thanks for the advice and hopefully these two lists are better!