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Making a themed IG army.

Here is part of the list that I need to know would be okay...game wise & with other players....

Fast 1-
3 SALAMANDER SCOUT VEHICLES (can use as sentinels if I can't use as SALAMANDER SCOUT VEHICLES)

For my 3 heavy choices this is what I plan to do -
Heavy 1-
2 VANQUISHER GRYPHONNE IV's from FW...with extra armour...
Heavy 2-
2 DESTROYER TANK HUNTERS from FW...with extra armour.... (run as leman russ's if I cant run as DESTROYER TANK HUNTERS)
Heavy 3 -
1 ARMAGEDDON PATTERN BASILISK from FW (basilisk with crew compartment & extra armour....in IG codex....)

It all comes down to your area, opponents and events. FW stuff is always a sticking point.

As an example, the salamander has a larger foot print then a sentinel, is shorter and has different front/side/rear arcs to the correct model. This make significant changes to how a sentinel interacts in the game.

The vanquisher and basalisk are fine as they are codex entries.

The tank destroyer - while based on a russ hull, lacks the height of the turret, again making it easier to hide and gain cover.

Massaen wrote:It all comes down to your area, opponents and events. FW stuff is always a sticking point.

As an example, the salamander has a larger foot print then a sentinel, is shorter and has different front/side/rear arcs to the correct model. This make significant changes to how a sentinel interacts in the game.

The vanquisher and basalisk are fine as they are codex entries.

The tank destroyer - while based on a russ hull, lacks the height of the turret, again making it easier to hide and gain cover.

wow, that is way more tactical then most people talk when speaking of 40k, props man! What where you thinking of running for troops, or is this just going to be Apocalypse?

andtheyshallknownofear wrote:wow, that is way more tactical then most people talk when speaking of 40k, props man!

Thanks! 40k can be very tactical with 2 good players involved...

Massaen wrote:It all comes down to your area, opponents and events. FW stuff is always a sticking point.

As an example, the salamander has a larger foot print then a sentinel, is shorter and has different front/side/rear arcs to the correct model. This make significant changes to how a sentinel interacts in the game.

The vanquisher and basalisk are fine as they are codex entries.

The tank destroyer - while based on a russ hull, lacks the height of the turret, again making it easier to hide and gain cover.

Well, to be quite honest, I am making a German WW2 Stalingrad/snow themed IG army.

The LR from FW would have armor skirts added to the turret & sides (like on a Tiger Tank),

the 2 destroyers (look just like a german vehicle that eas in WW2) add to the feel and I could actually base these 2 tanks (like they are coming over barriers/barbwire) so that the top on this (flat) model is the same height as the top of the Russ turret...

As far as the salamanders, I like that they have the halftrack kinda look & feel (like the germans halftrack), and on rethinking this, I might use the Salamanders as the troop transports (chimeras).

I plan on using several Hardened vets with rockets launchers (the cadian HW ones look like panzerschreks) in the units, flamers as well.

Mortar teams would fit in nicely to the theme.

I have a Valkyrie that I plan on painting like a luftwaffe plane for the storm trooper unit.

Lots of commissars...

So what do you think of that idea now?

The Basalisk and Vanq would be fine to use pretty much whenever as they are in the normal IG codex. The other things depends on your opponent. For tournaments, you usually cannot use FW models. If it is just a friendly game in store or against a friend or something, ask them beforehand and show them rules to get their consent.


EDIT: Im assuming that the Basalisk and Vanq dont have different rules as in the codex

Massaen wrote:
The tank destroyer - while based on a russ hull, lacks the height of the turret, again making it easier to hide and gain cover.

This stuck up my crawl space.....Remember, even though lower, if I can't see you I can't shoot at you either....So there are disadvantages for me as well as the other player....

Don't worry Krazy, he isn't taking pot shots at you. I have the old school Terminators and Ogryns with the 20mm bases and large square bases. These are old GW modles using the supplied bases, and yet I still have people saying I should re-base them with the new bases. After looking at the price tage for 30-50 40mm bases, I pretty much tell folk to 'bugger' off. Base rule book says they are legal because they /were/ legal at some point and time. The problem with the FW stuff is that... well, any tourney doesn't consider them legal.

I, personally, love the idea of your theme army. I am trying to do the same thing basing a list off of the 1st Marines and the show 'The Pacific'. Yeah, when I saw that thing first time, I thought 'Hetzer' too and some of those turrets could pull off being a Panzer IV or Panther. Basilisk could pull off a Wesp, Hummel, or even a Bison... the enclosed case one kinda looks like a Ferdinand to me.

As cool as they are, I would just avoid the Salamanders and the tank destroyers for now. To be frank, your probably better off buying scale half-tracks to use as Chimeras (I think 1/35 is close to scale) and just stick to the LRBT, Hydras, and Basilisks.

From what I understand, some FW stuff is kinda considered 'experimental' models for GW. There is the chance that /someday/ GW may use those models and put them in a codex, print them in a White Dwarf or add it to the FAQ. But like you said, that is a crap-ton of money to blow on effectivily models. Your better off getting /real/ 1/35 models and using them for proxies for cheap than expensive FW models and doing the same thing.

The easier thing for you is you could pull off Heavy Bolters as MG 34s and ACs as MG 42s. My own plan was to use HBs as .30cals and ACs as .50cals. What killed me was what to pull off for Lascannons (LCs), as they are the most effective long range AT you can get for foot Guard. For you, you could pull off LCs as Pak guns, specially if you get small kits and just replace the gun with a AC or a LC GW barrel (as long as they fit on the base). This could mean you just use the HBs as your MGs then! It all depends on how historicly accurate your going to try to get. It sounds like it would look really cool when painted.

Good Luck!

I thought 1:48 scale was closer? Maybe it's for figures, not the vehicles.
For what some military models cost, you might be better of with the GW
version. Not to mention military models converted for 40k wouldn't be allowed
it tournies either.

Now if you're doing it for fun, won't be playing in tournies, go nuts! I'd hate to see
you spend alot of money on something, just to have to replace it and spend more cash!

Hey Rick, I heard that the general rule is 50% of the model needs to be GW to be allowed in tourneys.

I have never tested this of course, but I can see Orks making alot of custom models (Looted Wagons for example) to use as vehicles.

Can anyone find a link or anything to post on this subject? I am sure the OP would like to know one way or another.

BlkTom wrote:Hey Rick, I heard that the general rule is 50% of the model needs to be GW to be allowed in tourneys.

I have never tested this of course, but I can see Orks making alot of custom models (Looted Wagons for example) to use as vehicles.

Can anyone find a link or anything to post on this subject? I am sure the OP would like to know one way or another.

I know that people had been asked to leave GW stores over Pig Iron heads. And a head is alot less than 50% non-GW!
Maybe someone more knowledgable will pipe in.

1/35 th scale is best in my opinion as a vehicle looks as if it can carry 10 troopers, my experiance in IG armies is this.

1) Theme the army any way you want such as color schemes and all as well as proxy vehicles for friendly games. (Not in Tourneys)

2) Build the army carfully point wise to match your opponent's army, IG armies are tough if you choose the right units to face your opponent.

3) Hvy and super hvy vehicles tend to attract a lot of enemy fire and die by turn 3-4, fliers have great luck in getting vet troops or shock troopers to objectives.

My army is Catchian based figure wise as my story line is they are escaped renage IG that joined a Chaos marine force. They work well but get beat bad by opponnents like Space Wolfs and Nids.

Bought them for $300. They look amazing! Bought FW preheresy proteus, preheresy rhino, and contemptor too....

woohoo

alarmingrick wrote:

BlkTom wrote:Hey Rick, I heard that the general rule is 50% of the model needs to be GW to be allowed in tourneys.

I have never tested this of course, but I can see Orks making alot of custom models (Looted Wagons for example) to use as vehicles.

Can anyone find a link or anything to post on this subject? I am sure the OP would like to know one way or another.

I know that people had been asked to leave GW stores over Pig Iron heads. And a head is alot less than 50% non-GW!
Maybe someone more knowledgable will pipe in.

I hope you never go to that store. I understand you need to push your own products but to ask someone to leave (if this is true) is a bit ridiculous. If they say tournament rules are everything must be 100% GW, they're protecting their company. But to straight up ask someone to leave the store is stupid.

felixander wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:

BlkTom wrote:Hey Rick, I heard that the general rule is 50% of the model needs to be GW to be allowed in tourneys.

I have never tested this of course, but I can see Orks making alot of custom models (Looted Wagons for example) to use as vehicles.

Can anyone find a link or anything to post on this subject? I am sure the OP would like to know one way or another.

I know that people had been asked to leave GW stores over Pig Iron heads. And a head is alot less than 50% non-GW!
Maybe someone more knowledgable will pipe in.

I hope you never go to that store. I understand you need to push your own products but to ask someone to leave (if this is true) is a bit ridiculous. If they say tournament rules are everything must be 100% GW, they're protecting their company. But to straight up ask someone to leave the store is stupid.

I'll never have to worry about it. No GW in Ok.! I'll spend in a FLGS before i feed the beast directly.
Awesome people that take care of you, as opposed to those pimping whatever they are trying to sell ATM.

krazynadechukr wrote:Bought them for $300. They look amazing! Bought FW preheresy proteus, preheresy rhino, and contemptor too....

woohoo

Heh, expanding on your marine stuff to boot? The 'new' Rhino and Land Raider look like the first ones, so I am kinda luck as I have the old ones... finially came full circle and they are cool again...

Just so everyone is on the same page, OP do you want to use the vanquishers as IG vanquishers? because there are actually separate rules for FW vanquishers in IA. Some would say better rules.

The FW rules are *way* better, that's true, purely because with a co-ax heavy stubber you're nigh on guaranteed a 75% to-hit with the cannon rather than 50%. 10 points for a better-than-pask chance to hit (if not pen)? yes please...

BlkTom wrote: finially came full circle and they are cool again...

THEY WERE ALWAYS COOL

passing on this idea to do Custodes instead!

Heh...so how much did you actually spend, since you said you bought a bunch of stuff already?

BlkTom wrote:Heh...so how much did you actually spend, since you said you bought a bunch of stuff already?

$521.23 total
All metal lmtd edition Emperor model, Valdar custodes model, 20 all metal custodes, 10 all metal termie custodes, 32 resin decorative bases, FW proteus LR, preheresy rhino from FW, contemptor with plasma cannon & clawed arm from FW...All new condition.....

I have to say those Custodes Terminators are pretty sweet, as is the Emperor fig. I am kicking around doing a pre-Heresy Emperor's Children using alot of my old figs, and I could see using those figs. There are some cool figs from Scibor that I have been thinking about using.

Here is a link... http://www.sciborminiatures.com/en_,shop.php?group=70

I don't know if they would have been a cheaper option for a non-codex list like what your putting together.