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Nasus top is very easily countered by a boat load of champs; Darius, Garen, Riven, Singed, Yorick, aka deny the farm! DENY! Pretty much anyone who can bully Nasus around in early game and keep him from farming well (especially Rumble, Darius, and Garen). But in the jungle it's much much tricker to stop him from building his stacks (which is why I'm so happy he's been buffed as Nasus was my first main). He is easy prey for certain junglers who can run around his jungle with free reign, but that's only a few champs like Shaco and Kha'Zix.

 LordofHats wrote:
Nasus top is very easily countered by a boat load of champs; Darius, Garen, Riven, Singed, Yorick, aka deny the farm! DENY! Pretty much anyone who can bully Nasus around in early game and keep him from farming well (especially Rumble, Darius, and Garen). But in the jungle it's much much tricker to stop him from building his stacks (which is why I'm so happy he's been buffed as Nasus was my first main). He is easy prey for certain junglers who can run around his jungle with free reign, but that's only a few champs like Shaco and Kha'Zix.

Thats interesting, because whenever I've played Nasus top I've been the one to dominate, regardless of my oppponent. Maybe its because I know when to dodge, when to let them give you a poke in exchange for a q stack etc.

Honestly my guess is simply that Nasus is not played too much so people aren't used to fighting him as much as others (like the only thing that makes the dreaded AP Karma top work as amazingly well as it does). Nasus is extremely easy to bully around pre-6.

Welp, so ends the single week of AP Tryndamere's popularity.

Try it while you can, it's kind of fun to just ignore some burst and heal yourself for about 1-2k.

 LordofHats wrote:
Honestly my guess is simply that Nasus is not played too much so people aren't used to fighting him as much as others (like the only thing that makes the dreaded AP Karma top work as amazingly well as it does). Nasus is extremely easy to bully around pre-6.

There is a massive lack of understanding about what he does. Tried jungle Nassus last night, but players kept insisting on helping too much on the minions so only getting 1 Q rather than 2 or 3. Then, when I hit lane run over to last hit the minions with their AOE ability. I thought it was the other team who was supposed to deny Nasus his last hits ...

Despite that, even with his ultimate on cool down, I was outnumbered and still hitting hard/escaping repeatedly although kills were down. Some scope there with team mates who get what I'm trying to do.

Jungle Nasus you say? I played a game with Nasus top the other day and did plain awful against a Garren who just completely ran roughshod over me. It was bad. Really bad.


But Jungle Nasus you say? Might have to break from Jungling Nunu and give that a try. Any advice? Masteries/Runes/Build order?

When I run Nasus in the jungle I use Move speed quints, armor (w/e the yellow ones are called), and attack speed marks. Blue is up to personal preference. I use magic resist per level runes.

My build (not in order)

Mercury Treads (For CC light teams I use speed boots)
Spirit of the Ancient Golem
Randuin's Omen
Banshee's Veil
Iron Locket of the Solari
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EDIT: I've actually wanted to use a Lian Torment for ages just to see what happens. Nasus' E and his R will trigger it and I imagine running into the enemy team hitting the ultimate and just q'ing down the targets as I go would result in some heavy damage especially since I can get that dot running on every member of the enemy team easily.

Watch out for Vayne. Never use Nasus in a game with a Vayne.

I unlocked Orianna today, and have found a strategy that seems to work rather well. I lane with a likely-looking brawler and ignore the Command: Attack ability entirely. I get to keep a low profile while still contributing, due to all my heaviest abilities originate from the tank, and have a ball delivery system that automatically runs at things I want to kill. The brawler gets 30 armour and magic resistance, a steady stream of temporary hit points and two extra AoE crowd control abilities to keep enemies in melee range.

That's how Ori support works, her Q is pretty much just for positioning the slow and for scouting. Her autos let her still do some damage as well with that passive.

I run Jungle nas this way:

Runes-

+25% to critical dmg
Armor and MR.
Flat CDR

Masteries - 23/7/0

Spells - Teleport and Smite, or Flash and Smite

Machete to spirit stone to Soul of the Lizard Elder if you want dmg quickly or else the Golem Eldar for durability.

Boots of lvl 3 speed + alacrity (+1 to movement)

Shyruila's Reverie

Infinity Edge

Atamas

Black Cleaver or Iceborne Gauntlets, or Mercial Simitar depending on other team comp.

Strategy: If you take teleport, become a tele-trooper and warp in right on top of your teamate's wards for first blood and other times you want to gank. This is especially effective early game and cannot easily be countered if you communicate with your team.

Farm like crazy, CDR is your best friend as nas, at max, it should bring your q down to about 2 secs and your wither to an almost constant effect. The lizard eldar item triggers off of your basic attacks, your q, your e and even your ult and is only more devastating on Teemo and Hec.

Unless the other team is really squishy, build defensively first, then offensively. Remember, you are a endgame powerhouse, rushing that mantra is the fastest way to lose as nas.

Once you have your boots (which should be upgraded immediately), it will serve as your mark of reference to your power level - if you can get above 200 q by 20min you
re doing alright, but you should be aiming to get your q up to 300 by that time because if you can you can carry your team.

Shyriuilas and wither will be your best friend - use it as much as possible.

Once you have IE with the above masteries and runes, you will virtually be unstoppable. My nas at 25min can crit for over 2k dmg on low armored champions, meaning that ADC's are toast if you can close the gap between yourself and them. Getting more crit chance will help enormously, but survivability is your best hope of winning because you are virtually assured to kill just about anyone in about 3 hits after 40mins of farming (especially with teleport, which will make you more capable of farming and assisting teamfights).

The good thing about nas is that apart from shyurila's and IE, he's actually quite flexible for items. He needs hp no matter what, and if you can manage to get more crit chance and CDR your crits will be reaching the 3k mark by 45mins and you can easily solo baron and every tower ever after 50 mins of good farming.

Edit: Sorry for the spelling, I don't usually memorize fantasy names.

Old school rune set up.

Yeah I've been playing for a really long time, and I get some serious gratification when I see people literally disappear before nas. When you one hit someone their hp bar vanishes and they go straight into the death animation. I played nas for 140mins against bot saroka because I wanted to see if I could 1 hit baron. After 1:30 mins, the creeps broke into my base and I could 1hit the dragon and 2 shot turrets. If I had another 30mins I could have easily 2 shot baron ... but it would have been a 2 hour game.

I'm assuming you mean 200 -300 damage in 20 mins with items and not before ... or I've got some serious catching up to do. Then again I'm playing at low skill levels and people keep trying to "help" by taking farm off me when I do hit lane. Nasus being an unusual choice can work both ways it appears!!

Starting playing again and forgot how bad the community is.

Good thing i find it amusing.

Had a game where i got cursed out for playing Lux without Exhaust.
Then The same for not buying Wards to start with.
(Yes i buy wards just not first buy)
He dies 3x times in bot lane and says its because i didnt have exhaust and no wards.. lol?

Gota love Randoms.
Did end up with 16/0/11-18? the last game with Lux.

People have been calling Kassadin Op when I play him. He's not that hard to beat, just send a bruiser mid.

 Spyder68 wrote:
Starting playing again and forgot how bad the community is.

Good thing i find it amusing.

Had a game where i got cursed out for playing Lux without Exhaust.
Then The same for not buying Wards to start with.
(Yes i buy wards just not first buy)
He dies 3x times in bot lane and says its because i didnt have exhaust and no wards.. lol?

Gota love Randoms.
Did end up with 16/0/11-18? the last game with Lux.

The early ward is just for the early ganks and to help fight counter jungling, if you guys are careful you don't need it like you said. Generally you want at least some sight on that river at about 4-4:30 though. Depends on the enemy jungle. If it's something like Lee Sin you probably want it. But if it's Amumu, you have the time to buy it later.

Getting cheesed off with playing support this week. Why do people think the only player who should buy wards is support? Also, the ADC who just sits on the tower then flames me for not warding - how can you ward when they are not clearing the waves and pushing enemy back so I can actually reach the river. I am also not a shield for players with signficantly higher HP to hide behind.

Then I got flamed and told I was a bad support as I hadn't got any kills ... then the Caitlyn who complains about me stealing their farm when the minions are on the tower and they're still at the fountain!!!

I really hate it when I shoot the minions down to low health so the ADC can one-shot them and they carry on auto-attacking a full health minion and lose the last hits.

Oh, and the real "pro" Caitlyn player who criticised me for buying AP items on Soraka. I mean, what else is she supposed to buy? A bloodthirster?

This is why I'm in the middle of a 2-3 week support break. I've been doing that since season one. It's time to not be the "ward bitch" for a bit.

Given a surge in popularity in the role thanks to some new items and having to sometimes fight for the role with the type of support than thinks we just afk in the bush, this break is kind of needed.

 ruminator wrote:
Getting cheesed off with playing support this week. Why do people think the only player who should buy wards is support? Also, the ADC who just sits on the tower then flames me for not warding - how can you ward when they are not clearing the waves and pushing enemy back so I can actually reach the river. I am also not a shield for players with signficantly higher HP to hide behind.

Then I got flamed and told I was a bad support as I hadn't got any kills ... then the Caitlyn who complains about me stealing their farm when the minions are on the tower and they're still at the fountain!!!

I really hate it when I shoot the minions down to low health so the ADC can one-shot them and they carry on auto-attacking a full health minion and lose the last hits.

Oh, and the real "pro" Caitlyn player who criticised me for buying AP items on Soraka. I mean, what else is she supposed to buy? A bloodthirster?

Just stick with it. Once you reach higher levels of play, only the real idiots complain about that kind of stuff. Also, it's rare to find someone who actually likes supporting. Don't let some children take that away from you.

I love supporting but hate how my ADCs are usually poor. I get a good ADC? I'll feed them two doubles, two triples and have started pinging their inhibitor turret within 15 minutes. Most likely? I'll set up a kill and they'll ignore it just to go in a few seconds later when I can't help them and get killed themselves. Quite frustrating to be honest.

So this is tangentially related to support angst ...

I like playing champs that are less popular, so I finally got over my dislike of all his skins and picked up Trundle. At this rate I've never lost a match (even if many of those were AI games ), and in fact every game is a steamroll, with me consistently paired up with a Cait, who gets fed and rocks face. Which suggests I'm doing something right? Even if my last game was top with Nida, which mostly involved her missing spears and bitching about how useless I am / how much better Nami was down in bot once she switched down

Anyway here's the thing: Trundle works, and I'm tentatively excited to play more PvP to see how well he works live ... but I'm afraid I'm bored playing him, and I generally enjoy supporting more than any other role

- Salvage

 Boss Salvage wrote:
So this is tangentially related to support angst ...

I like playing champs that are less popular, so I finally got over my dislike of all his skins and picked up Trundle. At this rate I've never lost a match (even if many of those were AI games ), and in fact every game is a steamroll, with me consistently paired up with a Cait, who gets fed and rocks face. Which suggests I'm doing something right? Even if my last game was top with Nida, which mostly involved her missing spears and bitching about how useless I am / how much better Nami was down in bot once she switched down

Anyway here's the thing: Trundle works, and I'm tentatively excited to play more PvP to see how well he works live ... but I'm afraid I'm bored playing him, and I generally enjoy supporting more than any other role

- Salvage

Trundle is interesting as a support choice becuase of his AOE slow/path blocker. Makes for a great kill setup with a decent ADC. I can see that working, though I probably would not do it myself.

You'll frequently get an ADC as support that will claim you are useless when, infact, it's mostly you and them on different pages when it comes to playing the game. You two will see the game differently and they'll interpret that as a lack of skill on your part because they're so godly in their own minds you have to be an inferior player. It takes a while to get used to that but it happens frequently enough you'll grow thick enough skin to ignore it (also, the ignore button is handy)

New Karma and Blobula the fanservice incoming soon- it is a good time to play league.

I already traded in Tristana to pick up Karma before the reboot. Anyone else who wants the free "classic" skin should do the same.

Gitzbitah wrote:
New Karma and Blobula the fanservice incoming soon- it is a good time to play league.

And hints of the third Freljord Princess, Lissandra. She'll be an ice mage.

As for Z.A.C. he's looking like an AP jungler

I play support tanks all of the time, makes me feel like a good team mate when my carry gets fed. Favorite to play though has to be Volibear. Also, never play with anyone but friends, or you'll have a terrible League experience.Solo queue was probably put on this Earth by Satan himself.

Sona is just awesome. Only playing her and she just got everything. High damage, heal, slow, AoE stun. Mej is a staple on her. I would even pay for a cool skin.

I've gotten to the point where I feel that solo queue is a place where I expect ragehards and idiots and I just try my best. I expect to get beat down when I mess up and not recognized when I do well so I just take it on myself to set goals and do what I can for the team. I can't get upset when my teammates are acting like children so I just laugh at them and how silly they are at raging over a video game and move onto the next one. The only reason why I even play solo queue is because I've gotten to a point where normals are much easier and don't really challenge me anymore so the only way I can seem to improve is by grinding solo queue.

On the note of learning new champions, since about a month ago, I've finished all of my runes that I'll really ever need for the time being I've just been slowly buying all the champs with IP. Working my way down the list, trying them out to see if I like them and just moving on. I've just picked up Brand, he's quite alright for a combo mage but much to squishy for the range that he normally plays at. I feel much more comfortable with my mainstay AP champ of Ziggs because of the range/squishiness ratio. I do feel that I like Brand better than Ahri though, she's quick like an assassin but just doesn't seem to hit as hard as one, leading to some very awkward dives and escapes because I suddenly just realized I was in a terrible spot.

^

Agree. I just pick Sona, go AP and hope for the best. Once you realize that solo queue is purely based on luck, you get pretty chilled about losing. You just report anyone who flames etc. and move on.

Gitzbitah wrote:
New Karma and Blobula the fanservice incoming soon- it is a good time to play league.

I am warily psyched about the Karma redo. I don't know why, but I love Karma. Even without a real ultimate, she's just so versatile and fun to play. She's easily one of the worst support in the game though. :( Looking forward to see what they do with her.