Peregrine wrote:
I thought "but he did it too!!!!" stops being a valid excuse when you're a small child? The fact that some people advocate stupid gun laws for stupid reasons doesn't have anything to do with this issue, and you don't get to dismiss arguments based on what some imaginary "side" is doing about something else.

 Seaward wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
No-one supports fraudulent voting. If you want to gain wider support for your ideas you will need to do the following:

Prove widespread fraudulent voting, and also the following points:

That the proposed voter ID will be an effective counter measure.
That it will be more effective than other possible counter-measures, such as better training of polling staff.
That it can be brought in without laying unfair burdens on the citizens.
That it isn't linked to other unnecessary voting law changes designed to bias the voting pattern. (Each of those other changes is likely to occasion a long debate.)

Why, pray tell? That's certainly not the method in which those in favor of more gun laws go about proposing them. If this whole argument is based on the similarities between the two examples of restricted/potentially restricted rights, why must one side play by rules that the other doesn't have to?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
It isn't based on that either.

It is based on the fact that there isn't any significant fraudulent voting, so any measures designed to stop it are pointless (except for possible ulterior motive.)

Every time you try to shift the debate away from that fact, you make your argument look weaker.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Because the consequences of some actions or procedures are greater than others.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I thought this thread was about voter ID?

 Kilkrazy wrote:
As with most threads, people try to divert the argument when it goes against them.

My personal view on gun control has no relevance to the point that there is no significant voter fraud in the USA.

Your attempted use of an ad hominem argument is another admission that your core argument is weak.

 Seaward wrote:
Many of the proposed restrictions/"enhancements" to gun sale security are touted as extremely minor-to-non-existent inconveniences for citizens, yet already they're significantly more time/cost-intensive than proposed voter ID laws. I'm curious how two forms of ID, a NICS form, and a waiting period can be no burden on the one hand, yet a single form of ID can be considered unbearable on the other?

 Seaward wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
As with most threads, people try to divert the argument when it goes against them.

My personal view on gun control has no relevance to the point that there is no significant voter fraud in the USA.

And I'd counter by saying that assault weapons play an insignificant role in gun crime in the US, yet despite that insignificance, you're in favor of intense safeguards with one, but not the other. Your ideology is inconsistent.

Your attempted use of an ad hominem argument is another admission that your core argument is weak.

I swear I'm going to have to define 'ad hominem' for you guys one of these days, unless you're just using a little Manchu method here and laying down smoke to cover the retreat. In lieu of that for the moment, though, I'll repeat my question, if only to see what the dodge is this time:

Many of the proposed restrictions/"enhancements" to gun sale security are touted as extremely minor-to-non-existent inconveniences for citizens, yet already they're significantly more time/cost-intensive than proposed voter ID laws. I'm curious how two forms of ID, a NICS form, and a waiting period can be no burden on the one hand, yet a single form of ID can be considered unbearable on the other?

Updated 10/25/2013 at 6:43 pm

(CNN) - The GOP precinct chair of Buncombe County in North Carolina resigned Thursday after the state's Republican Party called for his resignation over a racially-charged interview on Comedy Central's "The Daily Show."

In the interview, Don Yelten made racially charged remarks and said North Carolina's new voter ID laws will "kick the Democrats in the butt."

Yelton stepped down from his post in an interview on Asheville radio station WWNC.

“I resign my position as precinct chair. Gladly. I'll give it up. To heck with it, I don't want to be part of a group that is that mealy-mouthed and that gutless,” he said.

It all began when Yelton's interview on Jon Stewart's "The Daily Show" aired Wednesday night. The satirical news show did a segment on North Carolina's new voter ID requirements that Republican Gov. Pat McCrory signed into law in August.

"The law is going to kick the Democrats in the butt," Yelton said. "If it hurts a bunch of college kids too lazy to get up off their bohonkas and go get a photo ID, so be it. If it hurts the whites, so be it."

"If it hurts a bunch of lazy blacks that want the government to give them everything, so be it," he added.

While Yelton said in the interview he's "been called a bigot before," he argued in his defense that one of his best friends is black.

North Carolina Republican Party Chairman Claude Pope swiftly called for Yelton's resignation.

"The North Carolina Republican Party finds the comments made by Mr. Yelton to be completely inappropriate and highly offensive," Pope said in a statement, adding that Yelton "does not speak for either the Buncombe County Republican Party or the North Carolina Republican Party."

Yelton told CNN affiliate WLOS on Thursday that he stands by his comments and brushed off any criticism.

"We can't avoid these issues. We need to bring them up and talk about them," he added.

On the radio show, Yelton went on to blast political correctness and reject the idea that he was hurting his party’s efforts at appealing to a wider audience or misrepresenting the GOP’s reasons for backing voter ID laws.

“They're a bunch of chickens,” he said, referring to Republicans who disagree with his approach. “I'm embarrassed for the fact that they don't stand up and fight for what's right.”

Yelton said he doesn’t regret any of the statements he made on the “Daily Show” and adamantly contended he was not a racist.

“I am not racist, never have been, and the ability of the local people and the media and the outlets to twist this into a racist issue shows exactly how willing the people are to be taken advantage of,” he said.

CNN reached out to Yelton Friday morning, but he did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

In September, the Justice Department filed a lawsuit to block parts of the new North Carolina law, which requires voters to have a photo ID, shortens early voting, eliminates same-day voter registration during early voting and restricts the counting of some provisional ballots.

This summer the Supreme Court struck down a Voting Rights Act requirement for North Carolina and other states with a history of discrimination to get permission from the Justice Department or a federal judge before enacting voting law changes.

The high court's decision gave the states the green light to proceed with voter ID laws, which critics say disproportionately affect minorities, while opponents say the regulations prevent voter fraud.