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 Wolfblade wrote:

xmbk wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:

IIRC, ethereals don't get to choose a buff until it's their turn.

But the reroll 1's still works. I like them surrounded by FW, who frequently aren't firing at the big target lit up by ML.

As long as they get a movement phase, yeah. That's the problem with them going second, you haven't had a movement phase yet, so you can't choose a buff.

I feel like I'm missing something. Movement is before shooting, so they can give reroll 1's on the first turn. They just can't give FNP on the top of one.

xmbk wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:

xmbk wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:

IIRC, ethereals don't get to choose a buff until it's their turn.

But the reroll 1's still works. I like them surrounded by FW, who frequently aren't firing at the big target lit up by ML.

As long as they get a movement phase, yeah. That's the problem with them going second, you haven't had a movement phase yet, so you can't choose a buff.

I feel like I'm missing something. Movement is before shooting, so they can give reroll 1's on the first turn. They just can't give FNP on the top of one.

Not being able to give FNP against T1 shooting if your going second is indeed the point being made. Alpha strike is powerful so people look for tools to reduce damage they take on t1.

xmbk wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:

xmbk wrote:

 Wolfblade wrote:

IIRC, ethereals don't get to choose a buff until it's their turn.

But the reroll 1's still works. I like them surrounded by FW, who frequently aren't firing at the big target lit up by ML.

As long as they get a movement phase, yeah. That's the problem with them going second, you haven't had a movement phase yet, so you can't choose a buff.

I feel like I'm missing something. Movement is before shooting, so they can give reroll 1's on the first turn. They just can't give FNP on the top of one.

if you go 2nd during the first round, you have not yet had a movement phase.

I feel like the real issue with the skyray is no steady main gun. It could really use one good anti air gun (with the +1 to hit fly and -1 to hit anything else) along with it's array of missiles. If it could do something on it's own that mattered along with the missiles the skyray would be fine to great. It's crippled by only being chassis for the 1 off missiles.

 Lance845 wrote:
I feel like the real issue with the skyray is no steady main gun. It could really use one good anti air gun (with the +1 to hit fly and -1 to hit anything else) along with it's array of missiles. If it could do something on it's own that mattered along with the missiles the skyray would be fine to great. It's crippled by only being chassis for the 1 off missiles.

Just make it a artillery piece with unlimited ammo. We have the hammerhead for long range anti tank artillery, make the Skyrray the anti infantry one with a second mode for anti-air.
Some times as a designer you need to accept when a design just does not work(Like the deathstrike missile) for whatever reason, and try to redesign it.

 Lance845 wrote:
I feel like the real issue with the skyray is no steady main gun. It could really use one good anti air gun (with the +1 to hit fly and -1 to hit anything else) along with it's array of missiles. If it could do something on it's own that mattered along with the missiles the skyray would be fine to great. It's crippled by only being chassis for the 1 off missiles.

Alternatively, you could make it so that it had a "Velocity Tracking Network" that allowed it to share Velocity Tracker's +1 to hit versus Flying targets with units that are within 6" of it or something like that.

It would be an interesting thing to add, it isn't really something that exists in other armies, and it allows for the Skyray to maintain a bit of relevance after it depletes its Seeker Missiles.

I should add I would totally do something similar for the Deathstrike Launcher. The model actually has a radar dish on it and I'd make it so that it had a Comms Array or something of that nature, allowing for Orders to be issued via it. Adds relevance after it uses its gun and still encourages you to keep it somewhat protected.

IMO just make seeker missiles a proper threat. STR 14, AP -4, 3D6 damage, and you can fire one missile (hitting at BS 2+) per markerlight token you spend. The Sky Ray gets to ignore the -1 penalty to hit aircraft with both its seekers and its markerlights. Dare to go into the area protected by a Sky Ray and you probably die.

(This of course means that railguns need a buff to compensate, but we already knew that one.)

 Peregrine wrote:
IMO just make seeker missiles a proper threat. STR 14, AP -4, 3D6 damage, and you can fire one missile (hitting at BS 2+) per markerlight token you spend. The Sky Ray gets to ignore the -1 penalty to hit aircraft with both its seekers and its markerlights. Dare to go into the area protected by a Sky Ray and you probably die.

(This of course means that railguns need a buff to compensate, but we already knew that one.)

Seekers are fine imo, it's just the skyray that sucks. (though that is an excellent profile for the railgun)

I think it would help if Skyrays were transports that can carry 6 dudes. That gives them added utility after turn one without needing to horrendously overcompensate with seekers.


On the topic of markerlights though, I had thought of a possible solution to keep them useful but not OP (or swingy):
-One marker token let's you fire a single seeker missile at the marked unit hitting on 2+.
-One marker token let's a single friendly unit reroll hit rolls of 1 against the marked unit.
-The marker tokens are removed after use.
These two can stack, so with 2 markers you can fire a seeker that hits on 2+ rerolling 1s.

So it's similar to previous editions, but not as powerful. It's also less redundant with suit systems and allows room for other buffs. I kinda like it but I haven't tried it yet.

I dunno, I don't think seekers were ever OP when they hit on a 2+ ignoring cover, but required a ML to be spent per markerlight?

I'm talking about the BS buff being OP, not the seekers. My idea was to replace the current table with what we had before without it being obnoxious.

Dandelion wrote:
I'm talking about the BS buff being OP, not the seekers. My idea was to replace the current table with what we had before without it being obnoxious.

The BS buff is hardly OP given how much you pay to get it.

Apologies if this seems a stupid question.

In matched play you can only include 1 Commander per detachment, but what do they mean exactly?

Lets say Im playing a 2k point match with a Brigade, an Air Wing and a Fortification. How many Commanders am I allowed?

Is it 1 as only the Brigade can chose HQ, or is it 3 as I have 3 detachments in the army.

Cheers

Andrew

 AndrewC wrote:
Apologies if this seems a stupid question.

In matched play you can only include 1 Commander per detachment, but what do they mean exactly?

Lets say Im playing a 2k point match with a Brigade, an Air Wing and a Fortification. How many Commanders am I allowed?

Is it 1 as only the Brigade can chose HQ, or is it 3 as I have 3 detachments in the army.

Cheers

Andrew

1 Commander per detachment, assuming the detachment you're taking can have a HQ slot.

Can fortification and air wing detachments take HQ units?

I.e. A list has a Battalion and a Vanguard detachment - you can have 2 commanders (1 commander in each detachment)

 AndrewC wrote:
Apologies if this seems a stupid question.

In matched play you can only include 1 Commander per detachment, but what do they mean exactly?

Lets say Im playing a 2k point match with a Brigade, an Air Wing and a Fortification. How many Commanders am I allowed?

Is it 1 as only the Brigade can chose HQ, or is it 3 as I have 3 detachments in the army.

Cheers

Andrew

1.
Each detachment can only have 1 commander.
If you take a detachment that can't take an HQ choice you don't get an extra commander.

Yes I completely misread it. I thought it said one per detachment, but as you have all pointed out its one in a detachment.

Thanks

Andrew