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are any of the 40k races trained/learned to fight without the use of weapon?

I'm sure all of them are. Even tau. It would be a silly general indeed to lead troops into battle that don't know how to defend themselves with nothing more than wits n' mitts.

Necroshea wrote:Even tau.

You're a funny one.

Do nids count? Lots of units have the claws and teeth weapons option in the codecies.

monkeypuzzle wrote:Do nids count? Lots of units have the claws and teeth weapons option in the codecies.

I'd say that is cheating myself lol;

Orks: Born with inherit DNA knowledge and a love of fist fights as is... so they learn if they aren't good at start like most are
Marines: Absolutely; The space Marine is master of all forms of combat and can crush an orks skull with his bare hands if he puts a lot of effort into it.\
Imperial Guard: Just like real marines, they are taught to defend themselves when they lose their guns, albeit it's a last resort but yes.
Eldar: it's more or less a requirement; guardians are just as trained in melee as guardsment but their aspect warriors put this much further making their aspect a way of life for example
Dark Eldar: I'd assume the term "training" isn't really something we'd say most of them have but their reaction times and disciplines such as incubi are signs that point to yes
Demons: .... Hard to say as some gain the memories of those they kill but i can't imagine it myself personally
Tau: I've heard they do similar to karate to settle personal disputes with one another.... but i would imagine similar to IG it's lax training.

Fafnir wrote:

Necroshea wrote:Even tau.

You're a funny one.

They are trained in hand to hand. They just don't get any melee weapons to use.

*chimes in* Sororitas Seraphim are noted to receive special training in unarmed combat, some sort of obscure ancient martial arts moves from the San Leor Temple. No true effect on the TT, of course, other than that you could argue that they don't draw a melee weapon in melee because both hands are busy holding a pistol. I imagine Seraphim close combat involves a lot of jumppack-enhanced dropkicks. If any of you is playing TOR, the Bounty Hunter has an ability coming quite close to that.

Lynata wrote:*chimes in* Sororitas Seraphim are noted to receive special training in unarmed combat, some sort of obscure ancient martial arts moves from the San Leor Temple. No true effect on the TT, of course, other than that you could argue that they don't draw a melee weapon in melee because both hands are busy holding a pistol. I imagine Seraphim close combat involves a lot of jumppack-enhanced dropkicks. If any of you is playing TOR, the Bounty Hunter has an ability coming quite close to that.

Does this mean Zagstruk counts a close combat specialist? *does some kan-kan dancing with his stylish robo legs*

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

Does this mean Zagstruk counts a close combat specialist? *does some kan-kan dancing with his stylish robo legs*

Or some Killa-kan dancing...

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

Iranna.

I know who doesn't.

And the answer is...

The Imperial infantryman's uplifting primer has a bit on unarmed combat tecniques, but yeah, duh, if its standard practice today then common sence would say that the writers have transferred this information into the fictional 40k universe too. =P

Scorpionov wrote:are any of the 40k races trained/learned to fight without the use of weapon?

Necroshea wrote:I'm sure all of them are. Even tau. It would be a silly general indeed to lead troops into battle that don't know how to defend themselves with nothing more than wits n' mitts.

Fafnir wrote:

Necroshea wrote:Even tau.

You're a funny one.

monkeypuzzle wrote:Do nids count? Lots of units have the claws and teeth weapons option in the codecies.

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

monkeypuzzle wrote:Do nids count? Lots of units have the claws and teeth weapons option in the codecies.

I'd say that is cheating myself lol;

Orks: Born with inherit DNA knowledge and a love of fist fights as is... so they learn if they aren't good at start like most are
Marines: Absolutely; The space Marine is master of all forms of combat and can crush an orks skull with his bare hands if he puts a lot of effort into it.\
Imperial Guard: Just like real marines, they are taught to defend themselves when they lose their guns, albeit it's a last resort but yes.
Eldar: it's more or less a requirement; guardians are just as trained in melee as guardsment but their aspect warriors put this much further making their aspect a way of life for example
Dark Eldar: I'd assume the term "training" isn't really something we'd say most of them have but their reaction times and disciplines such as incubi are signs that point to yes
Demons: .... Hard to say as some gain the memories of those they kill but i can't imagine it myself personally
Tau: I've heard they do similar to karate to settle personal disputes with one another.... but i would imagine similar to IG it's lax training.

nomotog wrote:

Fafnir wrote:

Necroshea wrote:Even tau.

You're a funny one.

They are trained in hand to hand. They just don't get any melee weapons to use.

Lynata wrote:*chimes in* Sororitas Seraphim are noted to receive special training in unarmed combat, some sort of obscure ancient martial arts moves from the San Leor Temple. No true effect on the TT, of course, other than that you could argue that they don't draw a melee weapon in melee because both hands are busy holding a pistol. I imagine Seraphim close combat involves a lot of jumppack-enhanced dropkicks. If any of you is playing TOR, the Bounty Hunter has an ability coming quite close to that.

Scorpionov wrote:are any of the 40k races trained/learned to fight without the use of weapon?

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

Lynata wrote:*chimes in* Sororitas Seraphim are noted to receive special training in unarmed combat, some sort of obscure ancient martial arts moves from the San Leor Temple. No true effect on the TT, of course, other than that you could argue that they don't draw a melee weapon in melee because both hands are busy holding a pistol. I imagine Seraphim close combat involves a lot of jumppack-enhanced dropkicks. If any of you is playing TOR, the Bounty Hunter has an ability coming quite close to that.

Does this mean Zagstruk counts a close combat specialist? *does some kan-kan dancing with his stylish robo legs*

Iranna wrote:

Big Mek Wurrzog wrote:

Does this mean Zagstruk counts a close combat specialist? *does some kan-kan dancing with his stylish robo legs*

Or some Killa-kan dancing...

Sorry, I just couldn't resist.

Iranna.

BlapBlapBlap wrote:I know who doesn't.

And the answer is...

Spoiler:

Tyranids. Hive Mind tells them what to do

Wyrmalla wrote:The Imperial infantryman's uplifting primer has a bit on unarmed combat tecniques, but yeah, duh, if its standard practice today then common sence would say that the writers have transferred this information into the fictional 40k universe too. =P

You're all wrong.

Quit trolling mate. ¬¬

TROLL!

Anyway, I think Tyranids are out of the question.

Orks aren't trained as such, they learn from their environment.

Eldar of both types are definitely trained; one for the defense of their race, the other to create invigorating kills.

SM are definitely trained to fight. They have to be strong in all aspects. Same for CSM and SOB.

Guard are probably given basic training, but beyond that they rely mainly on instinct.

Tau probably have little to no training, and rely solely on wits to keep them alive in melee.

Daemons have no need for training; a hellish being forged for war in the warp has very little sense beyond maiming and slaughtering.

It'd be pretty funny watching a guardsman try to throw/punch a CSM/Necron/Ork. Although they could kick the s*** out of Tau if they got in close.

Statistically, out of eighteen Guardsmen, one will get it right.

First rule of CQB.

NEVER hit someone with anything softer than a chair.

Striking Scorpions have this very graceful yet brutal hand-to-hand fighting style. Ripping peoples arteries out of their necks with two fingers, punching holes in their head with your index finger, striking clean through someones chest with 1 hand, etc.. It's described in Path of the Warrior.

Harriticus wrote:Striking Scorpions have this very graceful yet brutal hand-to-hand fighting style. Ripping peoples arteries out of their necks with two fingers, punching holes in their head with your index finger, striking clean through someones chest with 1 hand, etc.. It's described in Path of the Warrior.

This is aspect Warriors in general, hence why many are WS 5 well that and basically their Exarch's are batman... I am so obsessed with battle I will never take my suit off again for it is my true face ....lawl just imagining some eldar gargling voice like batman "Watdouwantwithmemonkeigh?!"

Space marine: Make sense Xeno!

chromedog wrote:First rule of CQB.

NEVER hit someone with anything softer than a chair.

So, no pillow fights?

The Fire Warriors from the Farsight Enclaves are trained extensively in hand to hand combat, yet they only gain preferred enemy against Orks (it would be pretty cool if they got +1 WS as well).

Mr Nobody wrote:

chromedog wrote:First rule of CQB.

NEVER hit someone with anything softer than a chair.

So, no pillow fights?

Just Sisters of battle I am affraid

So, long story shot, all 40k militaries likely have CQC training. But no one fights like that intentionally. This is true in real life as well.

As cool as hand to hand combat can be, you use weapons in combat. All martial arts used in actual military combat use weapons. Even in ancient asian cultures. Hand to hand is always a last resort.

I don't think any specific race, in its entirety, is trained in CQC, because I haven't seen any signs of a race comprised entirely of ninjas or street-fighters (Orks don't count, just because you krump someone's head with your fist doesn't mean you've trained to do it), but any of the table-top armies almost certainly have spent time drilling at least the very basics of hand to hand combat.

Certain planets of the Imperium, for example, may have certain sects or orders native to them that, as a group, specialize in CQC, but these are, again, just a small section of the overall human race, definitely not indicative of the norm.

Psienesis wrote:I don't think any specific race, in its entirety, is trained in CQC, because I haven't seen any signs of a race comprised entirely of ninjas or street-fighters (Orks don't count, just because you krump someone's head with your fist doesn't mean you've trained to do it), but any of the table-top armies almost certainly have spent time drilling at least the very basics of hand to hand combat.

Certain planets of the Imperium, for example, may have certain sects or orders native to them that, as a group, specialize in CQC, but these are, again, just a small section of the overall human race, definitely not indicative of the norm.

What about necrons

The lowest among their ranks became warriors after the change. Unless ward screwed that up.

I don't consider the Necrons a race any more. They're a product line. Like a militarized Ford Taurus. They don't have any members of their former, biological organisms that they were before their installment into the T-800 model, and so now they're basically an army of combat automatons.