Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

The title basically says it, Im wondering when are the new Lizardmen coming up. Im interested in them, but im not sure should i wait for a new armybook first. Any rumours? Any starting tips are always useful.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/371300.page


Automatically Appended Next Post:
here, if this makes it easier...

Aerethan wrote:

Dr. Cheesesteak wrote:http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/371300.page

Rumors are Empire after the VC release in Jan. Then after that, it's kind of a mix of WoC/Dwarfs/Brets/WE/Lizardmen

Mostly this. 2012 brings VC, Empire, then it's either WoC or Dwarves, then the other, then who knows.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
I base my information on that provided by Harry from Warseer as he is rarely wrong on release schedules.

So in a nutshell, Lizardmen prob won't be updated til 2013 at the earliest.

Thanks for answer. Yeah, its really hard to be sure just from rumours. Well, i think starting the army is not that bad idea, because im not patient enough to wait for a year hehe.

Lumppu wrote:Thanks for answer. Yeah, its really hard to be sure just from rumours. Well, i think starting the army is not that bad idea, because im not patient enough to wait for a year hehe.

Lizzies still work pretty darn well in 8th and only have a couple big issues;
- sarus cav are over-costed by alot
- steggies are nothing beyond giant targets for cannons, so only engines are decent for character mounts
- pit of shades and purple sun are easy turn 1 insta-wins against the army.

Still, anyone who abuses the pit/sun on turn 1 is likely a dick you don't want to play against anyways, and the other 2 are annoying more so in competitive play as they slightly limit your choices.

Look at it this way as well, you get to keep your large pool of magic items into 2013 or even 2014! (all the new books are thus far limited to 8-10 or so items, most of which are 40+ pts!)

I agree about playing them now while the getting is good. I hate the new watered down magic items lists. They take away unique aspects and combos from armies and force everyone to take the same old crap. The O&G magic items list doesn't have hardly anything useful.

Lizardmen army book has been released February 2009. Compare that with Bretonnia 2004 and Wood Elves/Dwarfs 2005 and you get the priorities.

Yah, but reading that, my jaw dropped at seeing WoC ahead of...just about anything. They got great models. More units than the next 5 army books put together and multiplied by a zillion. I mean, the only thing I can think of is consolidation and simplification. Like with Chaos Dwarfs.

But it's not just rules, but models. I kind of think of army books as a chance for them to release updated models (and they make much more $ there). WoC are popular and rake in money. So are Liz. I think Dwarfs are popular, they just need rules changes. I rarely see Bret or WE.

Experiment 626 wrote:

Lumppu wrote:Thanks for answer. Yeah, its really hard to be sure just from rumours. Well, i think starting the army is not that bad idea, because im not patient enough to wait for a year hehe.

Lizzies still work pretty darn well in 8th and only have a couple big issues;
- sarus cav are over-costed by alot
- steggies are nothing beyond giant targets for cannons, so only engines are decent for character mounts
- pit of shades and purple sun are easy turn 1 insta-wins against the army.

To be fair, those two issues are the same for every army, even 8th edition books.

Experiment 626 wrote:- steggies are nothing beyond giant targets for cannons, so only engines are decent for character mounts

Yea the cannons that only 3 races have, and maybe skaven too but their cannon tends to be unreliable.

HoverBoy wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:- steggies are nothing beyond giant targets for cannons, so only engines are decent for character mounts

Yea the cannons that only 3 races have, and maybe skaven too but their cannon tends to be unreliable.

Someone is forgetting Amber Spear. And a large group of armies can take that

Becalming cogitation

lizardmen don't need anything... if anything they need a downgrade

They don't need anything. If anything Wood Elves need an update.

Gw's reaction to Wood Elf Update:
Their reaction to Chaos Warriors:

Kodeack wrote:lizardmen don't need anything... if anything they need a downgrade

And by upgrade i didnt mean that they are not good. Tbh i havent even studied the armybook that much heh.

rockerbikie wrote:They don't need anything. If anything Wood Elves need an update.

Gw's reaction to Wood Elf Update:

Spoiler:

Their reaction to Chaos Warriors:

Spoiler:

The Epic Chaosdude!!! wrote:

rockerbikie wrote:They don't need anything. If anything Wood Elves need an update.

Gw's reaction to Wood Elf Update:

Spoiler:

Their reaction to Chaos Warriors:

Spoiler:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
LM special characters suck.

you mean like just about every other special character who's name isn't Teclis or Kairos?

Look at the Ogre characters. there are 2 that are pretty meh, one thats ok, and 1 that is such a steaming pile of rhinox that even the Sabretusks won't let him near.

Special Characters are the guage of the flaw in GW's design process. They either become so massivly overpowered or are utterly worthless.


Sadly, I don't forsee good things for LM characters.

Grey Templar wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
LM special characters suck.

you mean like just about every other special character who's name isn't Teclis or Kairos?

Look at the Ogre characters. there are 2 that are pretty meh, one thats ok, and 1 that is such a steaming pile of rhinox that even the Sabretusks won't let him near.

Special Characters are the guage of the flaw in GW's design process. They either become so massivly overpowered or are utterly worthless.


Sadly, I don't forsee good things for LM characters.

Sorry, what I meant was "Sucks more than everyone else"

But yeah, SC in general are crap. So gimmicky...

Yeah I think Saurus are quite OP!

Grey Templar wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
LM special characters suck.

you mean like just about every other special character who's name isn't Teclis or Kairos?

Look at the Ogre characters. there are 2 that are pretty meh, one thats ok, and 1 that is such a steaming pile of rhinox that even the Sabretusks won't let him near.

Special Characters are the guage of the flaw in GW's design process. They either become so massivly overpowered or are utterly worthless.


Sadly, I don't forsee good things for LM characters.

The Queen from the Tomb Kings does Justice.

rockerbikie wrote:

Grey Templar wrote:

CthuluIsSpy wrote:
LM special characters suck.

you mean like just about every other special character who's name isn't Teclis or Kairos?

Look at the Ogre characters. there are 2 that are pretty meh, one thats ok, and 1 that is such a steaming pile of rhinox that even the Sabretusks won't let him near.

Special Characters are the guage of the flaw in GW's design process. They either become so massivly overpowered or are utterly worthless.


Sadly, I don't forsee good things for LM characters.

The Queen from the Tomb Kings does Justice.

She's one of the few characters thats just right. Her, Grimgor, and Throgg are like special characters should be. an interesting and useful option, but not one that is just sooo good you MUST take it.

IMO: 40k has the best special character setup. Many of them change the way your army is setup, almost none are overpowered(many are underpowered), and they all are competitive with the unnamed character choices. I don't know of any 40k tournaments that ban Special Characters. and if anyone says Mephiston please take a reality pill, he has NO invuln and is not immune to Instant Death. Make him eat plasma or a Force Weapon.

Or do what i do and toss poisoned boneswords at him.