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OK, so I was testing out Necrons today, in a little 500 point game today and we ran across a problem I didnt know how to play.

I have an Overlord (with Orb) in combat with an Archon. He wounds me once, while I fail to wound him. In the book, there's no mention
of fearless so I take my morale check and fail. The archon then proceeds to catch me (yay Int 2!) and wipes me out.

1. Does my Overlord get his Ever-living in this situation?
2. If he does, does he take it off the Orb's 4+ or Reanimation protocol of 5+?

1. He can get up.
2. He uses the orb.
this is taking into account you are able to get him away from the archon with the 3" range.
its also good to note that I don't know if an archon has any "no save" abilities.

Lunchmonkey wrote:OK, so I was testing out Necrons today, in a little 500 point game today and we ran across a problem I didnt know how to play.

I have an Overlord (with Orb) in combat with an Archon. He wounds me once, while I fail to wound him. In the book, there's no mention
of fearless so I take my morale check and fail. The archon then proceeds to catch me (yay Int 2!) and wipes me out.

1. Does my Overlord get his Ever-living in this situation?
2. If he does, does he take it off the Orb's 4+ or Reanimation protocol of 5+?

Since neither the RP or EL rules say they work if the unit is caught in a sweeping advance, and since sweeping advance says that unless thewise specified, the unit is destroyed and no save or special rule they have can save them, then the overlord in your example has been caught in a sweeping advance by the archon and is destroyed.
He is removed form play, no ever-living roll is allowed.

^ But does the everliving rule "save" him.... he's technically removed from play until the roll is made.
Side note if the whole unit is swept, can the Lord make the roll at all? Warriors cannot make the roll if there is no warrior model left.

gregor_xenos wrote:Side note if the whole unit is swept, can the Lord make the roll at all? Warriors cannot make the roll if there is no warrior model left.

The Overlord is an IC, and so wouldn't he count as a seperate unit for the purposes of Reanimation/Everliving? If he's by himself and he's killed he can still make the save, so why not here?

I would still say though that you would not be allowed to make a reanimation/ever-living roll if your Overlord is caught by Sweeping Advance. Time Wizard is right, the model caught by a sweeping advance is removed from play unless it is subject to a rule that specifically states that this is not the case. As neither Ever-living nor Reanimation protocols states this, your Overlord would be removed from play.

If an IC is swept a counter is never created...

Sweeping advance does not remove 'as a casualty' it simply removes from play.

Both EL and RP require the model to be removed 'as a casualty' for a token to be placed.

The IC is a normal member of the unit (P49)

You are trying, via EL / RP, to save a member of the unit from destruction

SA says this is not allowed, unless the rule specifically allows it

RP / EL do not specifically allow it.

So I'm playing Tyranids vs Necrons and a Lord with an orb, and a cryptek plus two immortals assault my brood lord and genestealers. I hit first killing everyone. So I consolidate away 5 inches to try and claim an objective.

He rolls and the lord and cryptek get back up. But the immortals are removed.

In this case since both models had the everliving rule, can the lord and cryptek get back up on successful rolls?

They were not swept, they were wiped out in close combat.

rpricew wrote:So I'm playing Tyranids vs Necrons and a Lord with an orb, and a cryptek plus two immortals assault my brood lord and genestealers. I hit first killing everyone. So I consolidate away 5 inches to try and claim an objective.

He rolls and the lord and cryptek get back up. But the immortals are removed.

In this case since both models had the everliving rule, can the lord and cryptek get back up on successful rolls?

They were not swept, they were wiped out in close combat.

Yes. The Cryptek even stays a member of a Troop unit (for purposes of capturing an objective).