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So this came up in a game yesterday and my opponent and I were unsure how to resolve it. I also tried to use the search function and couldn't find an appropriate answer.

I was using a vendetta and had disembarked some infantry under it. Now in my opponents turn he immobilized it. The rules say I should remove it from its base but to do so would place it on top of my own models. What is the correct way to resolve this?

Thanks in advance

You aren't allowed to place models directly beneath a skimmer in the first place, so they shouldn't have been there to start with.

Avatar 720 wrote:You aren't allowed to place models directly beneath a skimmer in the first place, so they shouldn't have been there to start with.

That is not true at all.

The only requirements are that you need to stay 1 inch away from the Hull and the Base of an enemy skimmer.

You can be under a friendly skimmer, and sometimes must be if you are disembarking from the skimmer. Just remember your models have to fit there. (With a vendetta you will almost always have to disembark some infantry directly below the vendetta, as there is only so much room within 2 inches of its base).

As for your question OP, they really do not explain what to do in that situation. Since the wreck now counts as difficult and dangerous terrain, you could go about it one of several ways.

#1: Use MWS for the skimmer and place it where it needs to be when firing at the units that are under it.

#2: Place it on the ground and place the units that are under it, on top of it in the exact locations they were at when they were on the ground.

#3: Leave the skimmer on its stand and drop it to the ground once all models get clear of its footprint.

#4: Leave the skimmer on its stand.

#5: Something else that works for your group.

So can I ask how exactly you disembark or even embark from/onto a vendetta with a large unit since the model is far larger than it's base? Getting within 2" is practically impossible without going under the hull.

Deathreaper has it.

Thanks DR. For the game we decided to just move the models underneath the minimum distance necessary to clear the immobile skimmer while retaining coherency. Nice to know we technically did nothing illegal

DeathReaper wrote:#4: Leave the skimmer on its stand.

This is actually the correct answer as the rules currently stand.

You're told to remove the skimmer's base 'if possible'. Since the rules don't give permission to move other models out of the way, and they don't cover what to do if you remove the base and can't place it due to other models being in the way, it is not possible to remove the base. So you leave it on. The skimmer is immobilised and hovering in place.

The BGB specifically says that the skimmer may stay on its stand. The explanation given in the BGB is something along the lines of 'even though the vehicle is immobilized, its anti-grav engines continue to work'.

Firstly, you CAN have skimmers over other models - the rules are that a skimmer may not end ITS move over other models, but the reverse is not prohibited.

You remove the base "if possible", as has been covered above. It is not possible to remove the base, as you dont have permission to move models out the way of it, so you keep the model on its base

DeathReaper wrote:That is not true at all.

Then can you please find me somewhere that supports this? It's not that I don't believe you, it's that I was told I couldn't do it previously and it seemed like a reasonable enough rule that it might exist (during a timed game leafing through the BRB for something like that can be a huge time-waster), so knowing the exact page number so I can mark it (everything in my army has its codex page and relevant BRB rules marked for quick access during tournament play) would be very helpful in future.

"Skimmers" in the BRB is where you find you cannot end your skimmers move over another model

That is the only resitriction listed.

"A model may not move into or through the space occupied by another model (which is represented by its base or by its hull)"

My issue with this, is that the space of a model that you can not move into or through is represent by only its base. No mention of vertical space at all--where the actual model is. Also, due to physics, no to objects can occupy the same space anyway. THUS, the space a base or hull takes up must include more than the physical matter of the base or hull one would think.

I always argued that the game uses a 2-D interpretation of space... aka Bases and hulls are looked at from a top down perspective. With this interpretation, you can not have models underneath/on top of each other.

If instead you use a 3-D interpretation, I see nothing that prevents placing infantry on top of a vehicle, as they are not occupying the same space after all--they cant!

Now, the rules do reference moving under skimmers to get to their base quite often. Thus, skimmers break the game, allowing 2 models to be on top of the same part of the table. This is not a new issue, its just most pronounced with the new skimmer flying stand.

As others said, keep the Vendetta on its base when destroyed as a workaround until 6th ed clears up the skimmer rules.

DevianID wrote:Thus, skimmers break the game, allowing 2 models to be on top of the same part of the table.

Only if you take the 2D view of the game... which the rules don't actually support.

Only if you take the 2D view of the game... which the rules don't actually support.

Agreed, the rules dont support 2d versus 3d. As I stated however, according to the RAW only a base counts as the model's space. The actual physical space the model takes up seems not to matter for movement. Thus, protrusions from one model phasing through another shadowcat style, so long as the bases dont, would appear to be RAW.