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The Staff of the Destroyer has it's own special once-per game shot in the codex. But it is also described as "an ancient staff of light".


Does this mean that it works as a normal staff of light (including the shootign attack) and then once per game he can fire the big gun? Or does the spceial shot mean that it does not have the normal staff of light gun as well?

Seeing as how the description doesn't say that it 'counts as a staff of light with the following additional rule' I'd say no. You get a one-shot staff then the rest of the game you're just re-rolling to hit and to wound in CC (thanks to gaze of flame).

Gaze of Flame? Imhotek doesn't have that. he has a Gauntlet of Fire, but i thought that was just a flamer.



EDIT:

never mind, just read ther codex entry properly.

Flame, fire, it's all the same to me. LOL my codex is at home right now but you get the gist of it.

Edit -- I even forgot he had a flamer template weapon. There's at least one shooting attack that doesn't expire.

He suddently sounds a lot more viable. i thought he was a bit of a weird character havign the big nasty Storm but not much else. Knowing that he has a flamer and also re-roll everything in CC.....i woudl feel better about chucking him into combat now.

Remember he is also a Phaeron - him and his squad are relentless. You can stick him with some deathmarks and have a rapid-fire followed by assault that will wound on 2's vs your marked prey. Or just throw him in a 20 man warrior brick, add a court lord with rez orb, and rapid fire 40 gauss shots at an enemy unit, if they survive then assault them with 40 CC attacks plus Imotekh and a lord with a warscythe (it never hurts to bring a power weapon to a fistfight).

I was thinking of rolling him with a 10 man Gauss Immortals unit. Especially in apoc games where i woudl also that Anrakyr the Traveller so the Immortals would also have furious charge.

just a shame that the only transport you can chareg out of is the ghost Ark which can only carry warriors. Woudl have been nice to portal this unit out of a monolith adn still be able to charge. Ho Hum.

Praxiss wrote:I was thinking of rolling him with a 10 man Gauss Immortals unit. Especially in apoc games where i woudl also that Anrakyr the Traveller so the Immortals would also have furious charge.

just a shame that the only transport you can chareg out of is the ghost Ark which can only carry warriors. Woudl have been nice to portal this unit out of a monolith adn still be able to charge. Ho Hum.

Phyrrian Eternals also have counter-attack. Buy a harbinger of despair with veil of darkness, deep strike them into rapid fire range on a unit. If they get assaulted they still get 2 attacks per model, if not they can move through your enemy's lines.
Don't forget that the Harbinger of Despair has a s8 ap1 template weapon, either. It can come in mighty handy.

Except that you roll to wound against the targets leadership rather than toughness. So handy vs lower level stuff )orks, IG, 'nids off the top of my head) but not as good against high Ld armies.

Praxiss wrote:He suddently sounds a lot more viable. i thought he was a bit of a weird character havign the big nasty Storm but not much else. Knowing that he has a flamer and also re-roll everything in CC.....i woudl feel better about chucking him into combat now.

Although i don't think Imotekh actually has a power weapon despite the re-rolling to hit and wound as he has the staff which by reading it doesn't say it's a power weapon and the gauntlet of fire only counts as a close combat weapon which re-rolls to hit and wound

The entry describes the Staff of the Destroyer as an "ancient and ornate Staff of Light". And the codex armoury describes a Staff of Light as a power weapon.

So i'm assuming that in cc he has a power weapon. You bring up an interesting point though......if he has the staff AND a Gauntlet of Flame, does that count as having 2 cc weaposn and therefore give him an extra attack?

Praxiss wrote:The entry describes the Staff of the Destroyer as an "ancient and ornate Staff of Light". And the codex armoury describes a Staff of Light as a power weapon.

So i'm assuming that in cc he has a power weapon. You bring up an interesting point though......if he has the staff AND a Gauntlet of Flame, does that count as having 2 cc weaposn and therefore give him an extra attack?

Actually, the Staff of Light is NOT a Power Weapon. It is just a Shooting Weapon. That is why the Hyperphase Sword, a Power Weapon with no special abilities, is a possible (no-cost) upgrade.

As above - you are confusing the staff of light current with staff of light old.

Staff of the Destroyer is not a Staff of Light. It is a Staff of the Destroyer.

Do not get the two rules mixed up. Fluff means nothing in terms of the rules. And agreed with the above a Staff of Light and Staff of the Destroyer are not power weapons.

Ah, as satted, i must be mixing up my codices.

i thought upgrading from a satff of light to a Hyper Phase sword was a bit redundant, now it makes sense.


My previous questions stands though, if he has the Staff and a gauntlet (which is listed as a separate CC weapon) does thsi give him an extra cc attack?

Is the staff listed as a single handed CCW? No? Then you dont get an additional attack

Fair enough. I just that that if it isn't specifically noted as a 2 handed weapon the extra attack might be do-able.

Except it has to be noted as a CCW to begin with for that to even factor in: it isnt, so is at best a 2 handed weapon

Per the Main Rulebook FAQ ranged weapons do not count as single handed weapons for the +1 attack in close combat unless their rules specifically state so.

But the codex cleary states that the aguntlet of fire is a CC weapon that also has a shooting profile. Plus the staff of light is also a cc weapon that has a shootign profile.

I was pushing it a bit by hoping the staff + gauntlet would give you an extra attack as the staff is not specifically mentioned asa 1 handed weapon, so i would assume it is 2 handed therefore further cc weapons will not grant the extra attack.

Yet the Destroyer is NOT a CC weapon, well it is - a 2 handed one.

Fair enough. I'm still beter off than i was as i didn't realsie the gauntlet gave him re-rolls.

Winning.






hopefully.