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Putting together my Talos has thrown up a question. Is it possible to take chain flails and a twin linked liquifier?
At first. looking at the codex, it would seem you can only take one of these options, but the assembly instructions specify the chain flails go on the right arm, but the liquifier gun goes on the left arm, so there is no conflict in the modeling options.
What do people think?

You can take both, so long as you purchase a second close combat weapon to be replaced by the second weapon. Essentially you're paying a 10 point tax for having that second gun.

Its worth every amount of points you pay, chain flails are nasty and so are the liquifier gun. Its my personal favorite wargear as you have the chance of wiping off a full squad of terminators

The Talos entry says replace one with one of these. How can you do that twice? Wouldn't the rule say replace any with any if that was the case?

Homer

Homer S wrote:The Talos entry says replace one with one of these. How can you do that twice? Wouldn't the rule say replace any with any if that was the case?

Homer

Because the talos allows you to replace a close combat weapon with either chain flails or liquifier gun (or the injector but who uses that) and then also gives you the upgrade to purchase an additional close combat weapon, which can then be upgraded with whichever one you didn't upgrade the first weapon. You can't apply both upgrades to the same close combat weapon, which is what the upgrade is saying.

lord_bobbington wrote:

Homer S wrote:The Talos entry says replace one with one of these. How can you do that twice? Wouldn't the rule say replace any with any if that was the case?

Homer

Because the talos allows you to replace a close combat weapon with either chain flails or liquifier gun (or the injector but who uses that) and then also gives you the upgrade to purchase an additional close combat weapon, which can then be upgraded with whichever one you didn't upgrade the first weapon. You can't apply both upgrades to the same close combat weapon, which is what the upgrade is saying.

So, the Nemesis Dreadknight has 2 Nemesis Doomfists as base wargear. It has the following option:

C:GK, pg. 94 wrote:May replace one Nemesis Doomfist with one of the following:

Using your logic, I can then replace the other with one also?

Also, the Chaos Dreadnought has 1 DCCW as base wargear and can trade for a second one. It has the following option:

C:CSM, pg. 95 wrote:May replace one DCCW with a Missile Launcher.

I've never seen a Chaos Dreadnought with two Missile Launchers.

I'm not buying it. If you could do a second swap why would it say one for one and not any for one or any for any?

Homer

I am on the "no, I am afraid not"-side of things.

It says; "Replace one of its close combat weapons with one of the following;....". Notice the "replace one" (meaning singular) and "weapons" (meaning plural).

It doesn't matter how many close combat weapons it has, as we are only given permission to replace one of them.

I agree with this - you can only pick one upgrade

Thanks guys, I was afraid of that, such a shame as both would be awesome.

Homer S wrote:

lord_bobbington wrote:

Homer S wrote:The Talos entry says replace one with one of these. How can you do that twice? Wouldn't the rule say replace any with any if that was the case?

Homer

Because the talos allows you to replace a close combat weapon with either chain flails or liquifier gun (or the injector but who uses that) and then also gives you the upgrade to purchase an additional close combat weapon, which can then be upgraded with whichever one you didn't upgrade the first weapon. You can't apply both upgrades to the same close combat weapon, which is what the upgrade is saying.

So, the Nemesis Dreadknight has 2 Nemesis Doomfists as base wargear. It has the following option:

C:GK, pg. 94 wrote:May replace one Nemesis Doomfist with one of the following:

Using your logic, I can then replace the other with one also?

Also, the Chaos Dreadnought has 1 DCCW as base wargear and can trade for a second one. It has the following option:

C:CSM, pg. 95 wrote:May replace one DCCW with a Missile Launcher.

I've never seen a Chaos Dreadnought with two Missile Launchers.

I'm not buying it. If you could do a second swap why would it say one for one and not any for one or any for any?

Homer

How does any of what you listed deny what I said?

I've never seen anything that says a dreadknight can't replace both of it's fists for one of each weapon. The reason people don't is that it would be insanely costly and redundant.

Replace one (as in don't replace both) with one of these weapons (as in you can't take multiple upgrades for the same close combat weapon).

Your logic is that because people don't means that you can't?

lord_bobbington wrote:

I've never seen anything that says a dreadknight can't replace both of it's fists for one of each weapon. The reason people don't is that it would be insanely costly and redundant.

Except of course that the option says; "Replace ONE", not "Replace A". How many can you replace?....ONE.



For fun take a look at the Grey Knights Terminator entry.
Under "Options" it says; "One model may replace his Nemesis force weapon with a Nemesis warding Staff"
Compare this to the DKs; "May replace one Nemesis doomfist with one of the...."

How many Nemesis warding staffs can a GK Terminator squad take.......?



....

I would have used nids as a better example:
Hive tyrant: may replace x with scything talons. May replace ANY set of scything talons with...
Tyranid prime: replace x with scything talons (these may not be further exchanged)

Yeah, I agree, but I wanted an example from the same codex, and it was the first thing I noticed when I flipped through the armylist.

Even better I would have liked to find an example of the opposite situation being spelled out in the same codex, but didn't find any really good ones.