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This is for an upcoming tournament tear it up!
NOTE:This list will be based on Zid's NOVA deathwing list with some variation! Thanks for the ideas Zid!
Belial –TH/SS-130
Ezekiel-170
OR
Interrogator chaplain in Terminator Armor w/ Combi-Melta-150

Troops
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 PW/SB-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 PW/SB-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 PW/SB-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 PW/SB-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x TH/SS Apothecary, 1x TH/SS Banner, 1x TH/SS + CML-290

Fast Attack
1x Ravenwing Speeder-Typhoon/MM-75
1x Ravenwing Speeder-Typhoon/MM-75
1x Ravenwing Speeder-Typhoon/MM-75

Seems good but if you're terminators are deep striking then they will get shot up badly+the risk of mishap, however if they footsloog they will get shot up even worse! Also you aren't very mobile, 3 land speeders isn't gonna cut it.

If you run ezekial its 1755pts so you might have a slight problem.So your better off taking a normal liby or a chaplin and changing the PF to Chainfists to help pop AV.

i can change one of the speeders to a bike squadron.that will bring me under 1750 and I can outflank possibly

Whilst I can't comment on your list I would point out that a similar list did take the win at last years Platinum Devil. Might be worthwhile trying to find the thread as I am sure a picture will tell you roughly what he was running.

Grimnarsmate wrote:Seems good but if you're terminators are deep striking then they will get shot up badly+the risk of mishap, however if they footsloog they will get shot up even worse! Also you aren't very mobile, 3 land speeders isn't gonna cut it.

Your getting the point of deathwing all wrong.
For a start, in your deathwing army, most cases your not going to deepstrike. Sometimes its a good idea, but most of the idea its best to either bunker up or advance towards the enemy. Mobility is also not an issue, this is Deathwing, not a mech army.

This looks like a pretty solid 1750 list, you've got 5 squads which is great. Plenty of missile spam, will surely see you do pretty well, added to the toughness of the Terminators. I personally think its worth taking Ezekiel, i've only played against him once, but he did pretty well. To get it back down to 1750, can't you just drop 1 MM from one of the speeders?

A bike squadron costs 120pts without anything so you cant drop a speeder to fit Ezekiel, you would have to drop 2.

I do not think you need that many hammer/sheilds I would settle for 2 squads of hamernators and then go for a couple of SB mixed into the other squads. Will give you a slight boost vs hordish armies.

What I would consider doing is dropping a squad of termies for 3 Predators. That will give you mobile cover, 6 str 7 shots instead of 2 str 8 shots and 3 AV 13 vehicles. 4 scoring units is enough.

thechr1s wrote:This is for an upcoming tournament tear it up!

Belial –TH/SS-130
Ezekiel-170
OR
Interrogator chaplain in Terminator Armor w/ Combi-Melta-150

Troops
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 PW/SB-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 PW/SB-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 PW/SB-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 PW/SB-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x TH/SS Apothecary, 1x TH/SS Banner, 1x TH/SS + CML-290

Fast Attack
1x Ravenwing Speeder-Typhoon/MM-75
1x Ravenwing Speeder-Typhoon/MM-75
1x Ravenwing Speeder-Typhoon/MM-75

I definatly seen this list somewhere before, Did you just copy and paste it from one of the battle report.

Here is his list:

Belial – TDA, LC’s
Ezekiel OR interrogator chaplain in TDA w/ Combi-Melta

Troops
5x Deathwing Terminators – 3x TH/SS, 1x Chainfist/SB, 1x TH/SS + CML
5x Deathwing Terminators – 3x TH/SS, 1x Chainfist/SB, 1x TH/SS + CML
5x Deathwing Terminators – 4x TH/SS, 1x TH/SS + CML
5x Deathwing Terminators – 4x TH/SS, 1x TH/SS + CML
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x TH/SS Apothacary, 1x TH/SS Banner, 1x TH/SS + CML

Fast Attack
Speeder – CML, MM
Speeder – CML, MM
Speeder – CML, MM

Now on to the list, don't bother taking a SB/PW because either you can take a LC which has more attacks or TH/SS with better save.

I suggest you take a few chainfist since you might encounter av14.

I tried all TH/SS or some with LC and I don't see much difference, the only difference I seen at when you face another dedicated CC squad with power weapons then your I1 sucks.

I suggest to take the following list.


Belial – TDA, TH/SS
Interrogator chaplain in TDA

5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x Chainfist/SB, 1x TH/SS + CML
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x Chainfist/SB, 1x TH/SS + CML
5x Deathwing Terminators – 3x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML
5x Deathwing Terminators – 3x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML
5x Deathwing Terminators – 1x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS Apothacary, 1x TH/SS Banner, 1x TH/SS + CML

Speeder – Typhoon, MM
Speeder – Typhoon, MM
Speeder – Typhoon, MM

Now I think you have some points left, if you do just give the chaplain some upgrades. This is basicly what I have on my troops except I use 2 dread in drop pod both with MM/HF instead of the speeders and chaplain.

My list's first proper game has won me a victory against a gunline IG and my dreads killed 3 leman russ (2 battle tank and 1 plasma tank) Also they then tied up some infantry squads untill my termis arrived. They finnally got finnised off by vet melta.

I lost 6 termis and 1 dread and both drop pods but I did kill his whole army. I did get lucky that one dread killed both of his battle tank in 1 combat since they are in a squadron.

Marthike wrote:[
I definatly seen this list somewhere before, Did you just copy and paste it from one of the battle report.

No its Zids list, exactly the same. See his thread '1750 Nova Tournament' its one of his options, posted on 31st December.

Why have you stolen someone's list, without giving any credit? This is not your list, its an exact copy and paste, DW lists are going to be similiar, but thats the exact same list, except you've changed CML to Typhoon on the Speeders... Oh and added 'Ravenwing' to the Speeders. But the HQ, the troops, the Speeders (bar the two terms changed), the points are all identical.

To be fair to OP he has never said it was "his list'....he just asks for comments on the list

It's not too uncommon to see the same list especially with Deathwing.

Go Big Green! wrote:It's not too uncommon to see the same list especially with Deathwing.

We are just pointing out how even the layout is the same. You can't deny even the wording for some units are exactly the same.

oh sorry! I forgot to give credit to the original owner! I edited my post accordingly thanks guys as for the advice maybe some predators would be more viable as they wont be wiped out as fast as a 5 man squad.


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Belial –TH/SS-130
Ezekiel-170

Troops
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 SB/CF-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 SB/CF-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 SB/CF-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x TH/SS Apothecary, 1x TH/SS Banner, 1x TH/SS + CML-290

Heavy Support
1x Predator with AC/LC sponsons-130
1x Predator with AC/LC sponsons-130
1x Predator with AC/LC sponsons-130

this brings me to 1685 leaving me with 65 pts left over....Maybe remove 1 predator for some dreadnoughts?

thechr1s wrote:oh sorry! I forgot to give credit to the original owner! I edited my post accordingly thanks guys as for the advice maybe some predators would be more viable as they wont be wiped out as fast as a 5 man squad.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Belial –TH/SS-130
Ezekiel-170

Troops
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 SB/CF-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 SB/CF-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 SB/CF-235
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x TH/SS Apothecary, 1x TH/SS Banner, 1x TH/SS + CML-290

Heavy Support
1x Predator with AC/LC sponsons-130
1x Predator with AC/LC sponsons-130
1x Predator with AC/LC sponsons-130

this brings me to 1685 leaving me with 65 pts left over....Maybe remove 1 predator for some dreadnoughts?

You don't really need Ezekiel, Withouthim you can take another:
5x Deathwing Terminators – 2x TH/SS, 1x LC, 1x TH/SS + CML 1 SB/CF-235

I think They will do better than he ever can do for your army.

Just realised you don't have 65 points left. CF cost 5 points, your squads should be 240 points.

So you only have 50 points left.

hm alright 5 scoring units is nothing to scoff at so I might go with that approach but is an unlimited psychic hood bad?

thechr1s wrote:hm alright 5 scoring units is nothing to scoff at so I might go with that approach but is an unlimited psychic hood bad?

When will you ever encounter that much of psychic powers? Most of GK powers you can hood is not gonna hurt you, anything that can you can't hood.

Basicly you don't need it also 5 troops means if you want you can deep strike 3 of them on turn one.

alright that is a valid point there as far as support do you prefer the predators or dreadnoughts? as both have their pros and cons

I think that for point cost Ezekiel is SO not worth it when you can take a termy librarian for less (correct me if i am mistaken on the point cost of termy libby this is off the top of my head).

yeah a terminator librarian is cheaper but hes only Ld 9 which is easier to fail than you think so I figured having ezekiel would lower the chances for
psychic powers to go off as he is a Ld 10 unlimited psychic hood + 1 extra wound but other than that he has garbage stats and wargear so Im figuring using the points
for more long ranged support

I use my dread as suicidel squads.

I have 2, first one comes down on first turn and I use it to take out any big tanks that will really hurt my termis, any plasma/lascannon tanks. also its a distraction to keep fire away from my termis.

Also the second one will either come down and kill more tanks if your missiles have not done the job, or you can use its Heavy flamer to flame out a unit holding an objective because by turn 2 most of the troops will either advanced towards you to capture your object or other objectives also it means you have a rear shot of them tanks, not that you need it when you have a MM. but if any tanks turn around to shoot yout dread then they are exposing their rear armour to your termis.

I Think both dreads and predators will be fine.

If you take 3 predator you will be few points over if you take what i suggested (5 troop) but you can always remove the banner or apothercary, I have never found the apothecary useful because I have all the ap2 ap1 stuff firing at that squad because its the biggest and most dangerous one, never get to use your fnp.

I agree with your points I think Ill use drop pod dreads with assault cannons and dccw because of their cheapness and versatility as
you can kill nearly everything with the 4 rending shots or at least slow down enemy vehicles plus ven dreads are amazing fire magnets.
So with all the changes so far here is what I have so far.
HQ
Belial TH/SS-130
Interrogator Chaplain w/ TDA and CM-150
or
Librarian w/TDA and CM-150 (not sure here)

Elites
Venerable Dread w/ AC and HF-150
Pod-50

Venerable Dread w/ AC and HF-150
Pod-50

Troops
Deathwing Terminator Squad w/ 2 TH/SS 1 LC 1 SB/CF 1 TH/SS+CML-240
Deathwing Terminator Squad w/ 2 TH/SS 1 LC 1 SB/CF 1 TH/SS+CML-240
Deathwing Terminator Squad w/ 2 TH/SS 1 LC 1 SB/CF 1 TH/SS+CML-240
Deathwing Command Squad w/ 3 TH/SS 1 Banner 1 TH/SS+CML-260

Fast Attack
Ravenwing Speeder w/ Typhoon Missiles and MM-75

It comes to 1735

I'm a really big fan of a Ravenwing bike squad or two (even without Sammael) in a Deathwing list. They can turbo-boost scout before turn 1, and then your Deathwing Assaulting terminators can teleport homer right into the opponent's face.

They can also load up on meltas to give you some more transport-busting shooting attacks. You want to get those CC termies into assault ASAP, and spending a turn cracking open a transport with thunder hammers is always frustrating.

FORGET.THE.CHAPLAIN. Trust me, they do not do enough to make them worth the points. Rerolling is nice yes but how many times will they actually assault something in a game? Take the librarian for sure!

riverhawks32 wrote:FORGET.THE.CHAPLAIN. Trust me, they do not do enough to make them worth the points. Rerolling is nice yes but how many times will they actually assault something in a game? Take the librarian for sure!

Yes the libby is probably more useful than the chaplain because any good opponent will just ignore your deathstar unit and hide away.

If I were you I would even go as far as get rid of the libby and take another 2 speeders with MM/Typhoon.

That way you have plenty of fire power to deal with horde and mech armies.

5 HF
3 Typhoon missile
4 CML (remember its 2 shots)
2 assualt cannon

that is alot of fire power.

yeah that seems to be a viable route but where is 5 HF coming from?

thechr1s wrote:yeah that seems to be a viable route but where is 5 HF coming from?

Ops sorry 2 HF, I am used to HF/MM speeders.

With all the psychic stuff in 5th edition, he is going to need some psychic defense, and an unlimited range hood does the job well.

Ezekiel
+He has a 2+, Force Barrier and at 3 wounds he is fairly survivable.
+His table hood at LD 10.
+He has I 5, frag grenades and a master crafted force weapon.
+f with Belial he has 6 attacks on the charge!
-Only one power a turn
-20 pts more
-No TDA (some pure DW armies may not use him for this, also can not deep strike)

Chaplain
Has 2+/4++
Can have a combi weapon.
20 pts cheaper with combi.
Lets the squad re-roll failed to hits.
-Your army now has no psychic defense
-Looses the I5 when assaulting into cover

To me above posts are correct about taking Ezekiel due specifically to the table wide hood and the I 5 with frag. I really do think he is more survivable with force barrier (granted this is only once a turn...). The ability to re-roll failed to hits is nice but i would rather have Ezekiel at the end of the day. Just my .02 cents.

Do you drop pod your dreads on turn 1?

Anyway I think 5 is a little overkill for your troops. I would drop it down to 4 and then take vindis, preds or dread(try the plasma cannons) whatever suits your style.
Termies are amazing but they are limited so 5 doesn't bring enough killiness to the table.

Ezekial is better over the chaplin but his points can get you more firepower.

Also 3 typhoons are just too cheap to ignore.

Deathwing is odd isn't it
Good luck

Basicly it comes down to your playing style.

More shooty stuff or more troops or more defense.

You should play a few game and since we have given you few different lists, try them out and see what you lack and take more of that.