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Oxfordshire UK

Hi Dakka!

Before I start I know that a lot of you goodly and kind folks are from America and would maybe not get this. So please read this short wiki piece before you comment. Thanks!

Spoiler:
The Commission for Racial Equality (CRE), the Football Supporters Association (FSA) and the Professional Footballers Association (PFA) have all launched initiatives in a bid to encourage more people from ethnic minorities to attend matches.[74]

Arthur Wharton, born in Gold Coast, was the world's first Black professional footballer, and played as a goalkeeper for Darlington, although he was outdated by Andrew Watson, who was a Scottish amateur footballer. Other early non-white footballers include Walter Tull and Hong Y Soo.[75]

The dark-skinned Everton F.C. center-forward, Dixie Dean, recalled how racist comments were aimed at him as he left the pitch at half time during a match in London in the 1930s. Dean, reportedly, punched the offender himself before disappearing into the players' tunnel. The authorities took no action against Dean, and a nearby police officer was alleged to have informed the victim that he had "deserved" his punishment.[2]

Steve Mokone, a black South African who later played for FC Barcelona, left Coventry City after his manager said to him "We brought you over here and you are not satisfied. That's the trouble with you people"; Mokone interpreted this as being racist, and he swiftly signed for Heracles Almelo.[76]

The player Roger Verdi, who is of Indian origin, changed his name from Rajinder Singh Birdi due to racism.[77]

In the 1970s, future England full-back Viv Anderson endured racist abuse as an 18 year old playing for Nottingham Forest against Newcastle, and was pelted with apples and pears from Carlisle supporters while warming up for Nottingham Forest as a substitute. When he retreated back to the bench to inform manager Brian Clough of the abuse he was told to go back out and fetch him 'two pears and a banana'. [78]

In the 1980s, racism in football in England was rampant. Paul Canoville was abused by his own fans when he warmed up for Chelsea before making his début. [79]Garth Crooks was regularly subject to racist chants and banners from opposing fans during his time at Spurs. Cyrille Regis endured monkey chants from Newcastle fans on his away début for West Bromwich Albion and was later sent a bullet in the post following his call up to the England squad. [80] In 1987 John Barnes was pictured back-heeling a banana off the pitch during a match for Liverpool against Everton, whose fans chanted 'Everton are white'. [81]

On 21 April 2004, Ron Atkinson resigned from ITV after he was caught making a racist remark live on air about the black Chelsea F.C. player Marcel Desailly: believing the microphone to be switched off, he said, "...he [Desailly] is what is known in some schools as a fething lazy thick [see forum posting rules]". Although transmission in the UK had finished, the microphone gaffe meant that his comment was broadcast to various countries in the Middle East. He also left his job as a columnist for The Guardian "by mutual agreement" as a result of the comment.

On 13 January 2007, The FA charged Newcastle player Emre Belözoğlu with "using racially-aggravated abusive and/or insulting words", referring to an incident during the 3-0 defeat by Everton at Goodison Park on 30 December 2006.[82] Emre was, on 16 February 2007, accused of more racist behaviour, this time against Bolton's El Hadji Diouf.[83] However, on 1 March 2007, it was revealed that Diouf would not be pursuing his claim.[84] It was also later revealed that Watford player Al Bangura had released a statement declaring that he was the victim of racist abuse from Emre.[84] On 19 March he was cleared of the charges relating to the Everton game.[85]

On 6 March 2007 it was announced that the Metropolitan Police were investigating apparent anti-Semitic chants by West Ham fans before the match with Spurs two days previously after a video of the offence surfaced on the internet.[86]

On 7 April 2007, in a match between Rotherham and Gillingham, Gillingham keeper Kelvin Jack was racially abused by a Rotherham fan. On 13 April 2007, the fan was banned for life from the club.[87]

Following his appointment as manager in September 2007, Israeli Avram Grant has been the subject of anti-Semitic taunts from some Chelsea fans; Grant's father was a Polish survivor of the German Nazi Holocaust;[88] Grant has also received death threats and anti-Semitic post.[89]

In November 2008, Middlesbrough's Egyptian forward Mido was subjected to Islamophobic chanting from a small number of Newcastle United fans. Mido had been subjected to similar chants the previous year, again from Newcastle fans.[90]

During a League Cup match between Blackpool and Stoke City at the Britannia Stadium on 22 September 2009, Blackpool player Jason Euell, who at the time was sat on the substitutes bench was racially abused by a Stoke fan, who was ejected from the stadium and subsequently arrested by Staffordshire Police, before being released pending inquiries.[91] Euell confronted the supporter that was taunting him. Blackpool manager Ian Holloway, who had to restrain Euell, was furious in his post-match interview, saying:

We are human beings and Jason is a footballer. The colour of his skin shouldn't matter. It was disgusting. The stewards believed what Jason said, got the bloke out and I hope he is banned for life. (He is) an absolute disgrace of a human being. I thought those days had gone. Jason was just sat in the dugout at the time. I saw his reaction and I had to calm him down. It's absolutely disgraceful.[92]

Euell, who received an official apology from Stoke City, later said:

It did hurt. I felt I had to stand up for all colours and creeds and show that we won't accept it. I'm proud that I made a stand. It was a shock to hear what came out of the guy's mouth. Racism in football is not dead and buried but it's still a shock to hear that kind of thing in close proximity. There were people near the idiot who didn't agree with it, but there were others who turned a blind eye, which was disappointing.[93]

In the wake of the incident, Tottenham Hotspur manager Harry Redknapp called for fans who racially abuse players to be imprisoned: "That is disgusting – there's no place for that in the game. Surely we can't have that sort of behaviour now? Anyone who does it should be put in prison – not banned from football. Stick them where they belong, in the nut-house. It's wrong."[91]

In April 2011, an initiative was launched by comedian David Baddiel to tackle anti-semitism in the sport, which was backed by players including Frank Lampard, Ledley King and Kieran Gibbs.[94]

On 15 October 2011, Luis Suárez was was accused of racially abusing Patrice Evra,[95] and the English Football Association opened up an investigation into the incident.[95] On 16 November, the FA announced they would be charging Suárez, while his club, Liverpool, announced support for their player.[96] On 20 December, the FA concluded a seven-day hearing and fined Suárez £40,000 fine and banned him for eight matches for racially abusing Evra.[97]


As you can see, rascism has had a long association with our national game. However, I thought it was disappearing over the last few years. Until now. Over the last few weeks it's been rearing it's filthy ugly head again.
First, Luis Saurez gets an 8 game ban for racially abusing Patrice Evra. Then, last night in fact, a small section of the crowd at Liverpool abused a young black player for Oldham Athletic. And now the racsist bigots are using Twitter too racially abuse a black pundit called Stan Collymoor....

Was I naive to think that rascial abuse was leaving our national game?


 
   
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Glasgow, Scotland

Racism's always going to be expressed by some part of our society no matter how long down the line we go. At present it mostly seems to be off hand comments sprouted in anger from one player to another, which the offending player deeply regrets afterwards, but I don't really think that they are inately racists, its just that they're trying to let out their emotions in whichever way that'll offend the other player. I don't advocate it at all, but I don't exactly agree on the FA's policy of using players that do sprout racial remarks as examples to others in the sport either. Perhaps when one day we're all one big utopian society where we all call each others brothers and there's no racial tensions of any sort it'll go away, but how much are you going to bet that that'll ever happen. I guess all we can do is repremend people for commiting it and slowly work against it., but not fool ourselves that we'll get rid of it entirely like any of our other problems. =/
   
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Ramsden Heath, Essex

People are abusing the female punching class act that is Stan Collymore? Well I'm shocked!

A man so clever he picked a fight with the Bath rugby team with predictable results.

If the purpose of the thread was to compare football now with the past then there is no comparison. The 20 year old punk they nicked today for some abuse is at the opposite end of the scale from the 70/80s where there would be thousands of similar tit-heads braying at the likes of Barnes, Crooks and Regis.

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Mississippi

Its not right to do in any case, but it happens all the time. In American Football from Jr High School to the Pro's the players say off comment things to get into the head of the opposing player all the time. Black players call white players racist names and white players call black players racist names so it goes both ways depending on the cultural makeup of the schools and how they view the others. I could see where it could be worse for European football though as teams racial makeups are usually pretty one sided.
   
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sarpedons-right-hand wrote:

Was I naive to think that rascial abuse was leaving our national game?


Yes.

Racism,bigotry,sexism,homophobia, religious hatred, classism, etc., are all alive and well in the world, though sometimes hidden just under the surface.


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Norwich

Its all Liverpool's fault. We should just get rid of them, poor Tom Adeyemi, he's only a young lad. Also I know him personally (not that well, friend of a friend), and not sure exactly what was said to him, but he seemed pretty upset, so must have been something serious, he wouldn't over react to something like that.

Things like racism are always going to exist, sports like Football give them a platform. Its always been present, just now Suarez and John Terry cases, and then last night are bringing it to everyone's attention. Did you know for example, Norwich banned a fan for life, for racist abuse against a former footballer on Twitter? Things like that aren't really brought into the public eye, because its only Norwich, but when its a 'big team' its all important and a huge issue.

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Just one nutter in the crowd, storm in a teacup.

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You can't ban a whole football team just because of one player or a minority of fans, I am sure racism exists in all teams just well hidden.


 
   
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USA

Wyrmalla wrote:At present it mostly seems to be off hand comments sprouted in anger from one player to another, which the offending player deeply regrets afterwards, but I don't really think that they are inately racists,
Isn't that actually an indication of innate racism?

That was rhetorical, the answer is yes.

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UK

Scottish football has always been racist.

More the fans than the players in honesty, take such examples as the old firm.

The celtic fans sing "UP THE 'RA" which is a pro IRA song, the rangers fans sing "THE FAMINE SONG" which basically tells all the catholics to go back to Ireland and only within the last 3 months have the songs been banned and made punishable by custodial sentances.

That was passed by parliament, after the "handbags" incidents that keep happening at the ugly sisters matches (old firm games) the SFA had nothing to do with it.

the SFA and most home FA's couldnt run a bath.


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