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I was thinking this would be all right for carnage what do you think?

Daemon prince - 175
Wings
Mk Tzeentch
Warptime

Terminators x 5 - 245
Champion
Tzeentch Icon
Power fist x 2
Chain fist
Combi x 2
Heavy flamer

Thousand sons x 6 - 288
Sorcerer
Bolt of change
Icon
Rhino
Twin linked bolter

Thousand sons x 6 - 288
Sorcerer
Bolt of change
Icon
Rhino
Twin linked bolter

This is my first army that's non Tyranid and I feel that I don't have enough numbers..........

Any advise is welcome

Thanks

Helston

I understand that the winds are a better power for your squads then the bolt. I think it's because the bolt forces you to choose between high priority armor for your expensive spell or juicy infantry for your expensive bolster fire. I think people also think the winds can hit more kinds of things.

You picked the wrong fluff if you wanted to have a lot of models on the field. I might throw in an undivided squad in there for tank or mc dedicated killing or utility. They are really neatly costed. You are pretty good at shooting marines to death and being hit with anti meq weaponry, but I think you have enough of that at some point.

A few points I'd like to bring up from playing a Thousand Sons army.

As Lurce says you really want to give your Sorcerers Wind of Chaos as the Thousand Sons troops are anti infantry. Its really useful when you get out of a Rhino and you can just roast stuff.

I'd give the sorcerers melta bombs for anti tank.

I'd also not use terminator champions as its a waist of points unless you just had some left over.

The real problems the suns have is they are no good at popping tanks It might be an idea to put combi meltas on the rhinos.

Your prince is going to be a huge target for every heavy weapon on the table so make sure you use the most of the cover you have.

Thanks for the quick reply guys its greatly appreciated!!!

I see.... I seem to love army's that struggle to bust tanks =S

I see what you guys are saying about the Psyker powers I just thought 24" s8 ap1 was a better Idea for popping tanks but I guess It would be harder to bust av14 but then again you don't have to be as close but on the other hand I can shoot out of the top of the nippy rhino(Unlike untransportable Nids!!)

Wind of chaos really does make more sense......

How about these changes?

Daemon prince - 175
Wings
Mk Tzeentch
Warptime

Terminators x 5 - 225
Tzeentch Icon
Power fist
Chain fist
Combi x 2
Heavy flamer

Thousand sons x 6 - 298
Sorcerer
Wind of chaos
Icon
Rhino
Combi

Thousand sons x 6 - 298
Sorcerer
Melta bombs
Wind of chaos
Icon
Rhino
Twin linked bolter

Total - 996

Damn you 996! 1 point off of extra Melta Bombs =(

Thanks again guys

Helston

Looks good.

Some... interesting advice given. Here, my gift to you. Enjoy.

Demon Prince - 185pts
MoT, Wings, Warptime, Doombolt

Demon Prince - 185pts
MoT, Wings, Warptime, Doombolt

5x 1kSons - 185pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

5x 1kSons - 185pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

5x 1kSons - 190pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Havoc Launcher

Predator - 70pts

1000pts

I like the list!

Ive been reading into thousand sons alot over the last few days and I like what I see and hear.
Saw an epic TS Rhino which inspired me to buy the TS Rhino doors from forge world =D
Now just to figure out a way to make TS terminators.......

I like the size of your list there BlkTom but to my noobish mind it doesn't seem possible......

5x 1kSons - 185pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

I thought only the sorcerer could have psyker powers and melta bombs???

Also what kinds of combi weapons can people suggest for my terminators and my lucky rhino?

Thanks again

Helstonia

Helston wrote:

I like the size of your list there BlkTom but to my noobish mind it doesn't seem possible......

5x 1kSons - 185pts
BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

I thought only the sorcerer could have psyker powers and melta bombs???

Also what kinds of combi weapons can people suggest for my terminators and my lucky rhino?

Thanks again

Helstonia

It is because I did not include the AS's cost. I have done this before, so it makes me want to kill Gav Thorp for his crappy lay-out of his damn codex. Every squad should be 37pts more than listed. Good eye.

Demon Prince - 185pts
MoT, Wings, Warptime, Doombolt

Demon Prince - 185pts
MoT, Wings, Warptime, Doombolt

1kSons - 227pts
5x Marines, 1 AS, BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

1kSons - 227pts
5x Marines, 1 AS, BoC, Melta bomb, Rhino, Combi-Melta

Predator - 130pts
Lascannon Sponsons

1000pts


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Terminators should be suicided in with Combi-Meltas to take out vehicles in a 3 man squad. If you want to splurge, get a chainfist.

The reason for this is because CSMs do not have 'And they Shall Know No Fear'. This is a crippling factor for Chaos. Your Terminators will get swept off the board or run, as will Oblits, Havocs, Raptors, ect... The only real Icon of choice is Chaos Glory for the morale re-roll... and that doesn't make for very fluffy lists unless your Black Legion.

Hmmm, once its witted down to just 2 squads, it looks like a really small number of models even for a 1000 point army. Other than your twin DP and Predator, you only have 10 marines and 2 aspiring sorcerors.

1k Sons are so damned expensive points wise and GW wise i love the sons.

I personally say Drop Termies add some more 1k squads or a squad of obliterators
Termies offer "decent" anti tank at 1k with various weapons and the unique marks but i find they just dont cut it so i typically have obliterators running around punching and shooting things in the face yes there are less of them but more anti t and anti i abilities and two wounds with 2 + and 5 +

As for the Sorcs BoC works wonders on everything.
Id also look into lash lists, you can still keep your 1k themed army just add a Slaaneshi Dp with lash (will give you a few more points back as well) this will allow you to pull units out of cover and shoot them with obliterators (defilers) or your sons so that unit can in turn be assaulted (not with sons) and you can make use of your ap 3,

Ok this list can go much better:

Deamon Prince of Tzeentch (200pts)
Wings
Warptime
Bolt of Change

6 Thousand Sons (245pts)
Sorcerer, Bolt of change
Rhino, Combi Melta

6 Thousand Sons (245pts)
Sorcerer, Bolt of change
Rhino, Combi Melta

2 Obliterators (150pts)
2 Obliterators (150pts)

990 pts of wrecking,

I like the list with 3 troop choices more than any other, but I worry about all the psychic tests the poor Demons will be making. I'm still worried about how much you are paying for all your anti marine shots on units that you've also burdened with other jobs.

Either way It's pretty interesting! I wonder how well it would do against the popular specialized marine lists.

Thousand Sons really fold if they come in contact with the enemy, but not fast enough that you´ll be free to shoot whatever just charged them, so some kind of counter-charge-element is required I think. A Defiler is pretty expensive, but could fill that role:

Daemon Prince (Wings, MoT, Bolt of Change) - 175
5 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt, Rhino) - 197
5 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt, Rhino) - 197
6 CSM (Flamer, Rhino) - 130
Defiler - 150
Defiler - 150
Total: 999

3 Troops, lots of anti-MEQ, though the Defilers are good against hordes and tanks too, and three counter-charging elements to protect your troops.

or:

Daemon Prince (Wings, MoT, Bolt, Warptime) - 200
Daemon Prince (Wings, MoT, Bolt, Warptime) - 200
5 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt and Meltabombs, Rhino) - 202
5 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt, Rhino) - 197
5 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt, Rhino) - 197
Total: 996

3 Troops again, even more anti-MEQ, better anti-tank but worse against hordes and one less maneuver element.

None of this changes the basic fact that Thousand Sons are way overcosted though. ;(

grifter wrote:Daemon Prince (Wings, MoT, Bolt, Warptime) - 200
Daemon Prince (Wings, MoT, Bolt, Warptime) - 200
5 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt and Meltabombs, Rhino) - 202
5 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt, Rhino) - 197
5 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt, Rhino) - 197
Total: 996

I like this list but I think I might make a few small changes

Daemon Prince (Wings, MoT, Warptime) - 175
6 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt and Meltabombs, Rhino) - 225
6 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt and Meltabombs, Rhino) - 225
6 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt and Meltabombs, Rhino) - 225
Defiler - 150

This looks dirty. Think it would work well?

Helston

It will my list is similar instead of defiler i have oblits and i usually mess my oponents up, defilers shouldnt be to much different just pray for hits with that blast temp lol

Played a carnage game with my list yesterday against DE SM and a Slaanesh CSM army with "Pain" marines.

Did pretty good and managed to get the win with 3 TS's and a sorcerer on the objective at the end with my mates Drazhar but there's no draws in our game and I won in sudden death =)

Sweet!

Would this be any better?

Sorcerer (MoT, BoC) - 155
6 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ BoC, Rhino) - 235
6 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ BoC, Rhino) - 235
6 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt, Meltabombs, Rhino) - 225
Defiler - 150

Total 1000

I am of the opinion the the DP needs to be taken over the sorcerer in every situation. Even if you cannot afford the wings (which I also think you MUST find room for).

I have no experience with TS, but I do know Tzeentch Princes and 2 psychic powers is too many. Warptime is plenty.

I liked the list with the 2 DPs, but these all seem viable. You should try each (proxy. it helps.) and find what works best for you.

I played another game last Sunday which was my second ever with CSM I changed my list a bit for fun...

Daemon Prince (Wings, MoT, Warptime) - 175
6 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt and Meltabombs, Rhino) - 225
6 Thousand Sons (Sorcerer w/ Doombolt and Meltabombs, Rhino) - 225
7 Khorne Bz's (Champ w/ Powerfist, Rhino) - 222
Defiler - 150

I won my second carnage game with my CSM!!!!!!

Ive played about 20 games with my tyranids and have only taken away 1 draw. Play 2 games with CSM and win both times.

Nids just fall short at 1000pts plus no transports and transports are the nutz!!!

Before you say I know I know its not fluff worthy as Khorne despises magic but Tzeentch is known to be a trickster so with 1 of my 3 TS rhinos filled with the blood gods children it can be a nasty surprise =)

Thinking of dropping the defiler and getting 2 obliterators(Once again I know Ahriman stopped the mutation and the oblits mutate)

Fluffs for fluffers =D