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Hello there everyone.

First of all, it may be that the question was asked before. However there is a lot of renegade topics and therefore I can't stumble across the right one, so I'd appreciate any help you can post

To the actual question: I have recently stumbled across Imperial Armour books published by Forge World. To be precise, Volumes 5 - 7; Siege of Vraks. The book gives us a nice Chaos renegade army list which is really to my liking, as I love both IG and chaos and I think mixing the two would be very fun indeed. However, as I'm new to the gaming aspect of the system, the main question is: Is this army fully legal and will I be able to play in tournaments once my army is formed? I understand that Renegade army list is unusual on the tables compared to other armies. However, are there any "negatives" to collecting such army? I'd appreciate any advice you can give me as to collecting the army, the rules I need to look out for and so forth. Basically anything that I should know before I'm set in stone as to collecting my Renegade.

Also, are there other armies like that? The ones that are often unheard of by regular players, but are legal and have army lists? Thanks again for any help!

Zigus Maximus, Out.

Some tournaments allow Forge World Lists... others don't.

Decidedly few tournaments allow Forgeworld lists. Friendly games or pickup games, as long as they're not with total manbabies, will generally be fine though. I know I'd be happy to play against a FW renegade army. There are a few army lists like that in Forgeworld books, like the Death Korps of Krieg and Elysian Drop regiments. Fortunately, they share almost everything with the standard IG codex, so if you wanted to have an army list for tournies taken from the codex and a separate army list for casual games with the FW list you'd be golden.

The biggest disadvantage is cost. Forgeworld armies are very expensive, especially when they're an army with such a poor points-to-money ratio as a Guard variant. Each man will probably cost about 5 points in game, and a sizable army will take a LOT of money. If you've got the income and painting talent to do the figures justice, then go ahead! Forgeworld armies are beautiful.

You can just use the IG codex for a traitor guard army if you want to be safe for tournies. As for models, if you don't want to shell out LOTS OF MONEY for FW ones, you can always convert.

Zigus Maximus wrote:Hello there everyone.

First of all, it may be that the question was asked before. However there is a lot of renegade topics and therefore I can't stumble across the right one, so I'd appreciate any help you can post

To the actual question: I have recently stumbled across Imperial Armour books published by Forge World. To be precise, Volumes 5 - 7; Siege of Vraks. The book gives us a nice Chaos renegade army list which is really to my liking, as I love both IG and chaos and I think mixing the two would be very fun indeed. However, as I'm new to the gaming aspect of the system, the main question is: Is this army fully legal and will I be able to play in tournaments once my army is formed? I understand that Renegade army list is unusual on the tables compared to other armies. However, are there any "negatives" to collecting such army? I'd appreciate any advice you can give me as to collecting the army, the rules I need to look out for and so forth. Basically anything that I should know before I'm set in stone as to collecting my Renegade.

Also, are there other armies like that? The ones that are often unheard of by regular players, but are legal and have army lists? Thanks again for any help!

Zigus Maximus, Out.

Depends where you play and who you play. Some tourneys don't mind the lists, others do. YMMV.

That said the chaos lists in the Siege of Vraks are interesting if a little out of date as they are based off the previous IG codex version and the current. I am actually currently, for my own group, adapting the lists to be similar to the current IG lists to allow focus on fodder or veterans, but I don' t expect or intend to ever play that list every where. I've always liked combining my different chaos armies in 40k in fun ways, so really like the Vraks lists. There are also some really cool chaos minis present in the Vraks books as well.

The biggest issue with making a forge world "chaos renegades " list is if you use the actual forge world chaos renegade figures. I had shelved the idea, myself, as too pricey at something like $800 with all the conversion kits *and* the base cadian plastic IG figures to convert with them. Then my wife decided she wanted a different life and now I am building the army. Hahahahahahaha.

You can definitely do a renegades army cheaper with regular GW minis or other minis for use as IG and convert them with chaos bits and the like, well cheaper than using all FW conversion pieces anyway. There are other forgeworld lists in the various Imperial Armour volumes that cover most of the major players in the game.

If this is your *first* army I recommend playing something that has a formal codex, though. If you intend to play in a lot of tourneys instead of friendly play I would buy the IG codex or another codex and make a "counts as" army using some of the forge world pieces and making your army a renegade Imperial Guard regiment that follows chaos. Then you can build the army the way you want it to look, but fully uses proper IG codex rules so is never a problem at tourneys.

Skriker

As others have said, it all depends on your opponents and tournament organisers.

Your best bet, IMO, is to grab a copy of the IG codex as well, and make a list that can ROUGHLY fit both codexes, so that with a few model swaps you can change your FW Renegade list into a counts-as IG list.