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I don't know if this has been posted before, I haven't seen it, so I'm assuming no.


P(Mindshackle Fail on LD)

p(10) = 50%
p(9) = 62.5%
p(8) = 74.1%
p(7) = 83.8%
p(6) = 90.7%
p(5) = 95.3%
p(4) = 98.1%
p(3) = 99.5% (so the chance you'll roll 3 1's on 3 dice is 0.5%, if you're interested :-) )
p(2) = 100%

Too bad Lore Weaver is a cheese weaver.

*laughs*

You know what they say, what's Gouda for the Goose...

I like this and i have used Mindshackle alot and love it. its about the only thing that "helps" out in close combat since all necron I is at 2. sigh lol

I can't wait to field a deathstar Royal Court with 6 mindshackle lords. I can just taste the GK tears...

i would like to try the death star royal court once. just to see if it would do as much damage as i think it would. has any one tryed it yet with good results?

Yes. It's too expensive and dies to shooting due to 3+ armour saves.

I, embarrassingly, lost a good chunk of a deathstar to termagant shooting one game, and dakka-preds in another.

well i fig that every lord in the Deathstar would need sempiternal weave with it. there are too many weapons that have ap3 . so need something with just a little more ummf to get over that one. but looking at it your basic DeathStar is going to cost 575, but thats with one cryptek with harb of despair for veil.

Necronmike wrote:well i fig that every lord in the Deathstar would need sempiternal weave with it. there are too many weapons that have ap3 . so need something with just a little more ummf to get over that one. but looking at it your basic DeathStar is going to cost 575, but thats with one cryptek with harb of despair for veil.

I find the best way to make the star point efficient is the mix and match. I normal run a "Tank" Overlord with it and throw all the resiliency upgrades on him, even phylactery, and he grabs the first incoming shot of each volley with his 2+/3++. I then have a couple lords with either staff orf Light or phase swords and Sweave, one with a phase shifter, and those are my ablative wounds. Finally I'll have a couple decked out Lords w/WS/MSS/Tlabs/SWeave and one Res Orb. Also, after I nab the Teks I really want (veiltek in particular), I'll fill in with storm teks, as they are relatively cheap ablative wounds and the tremorstave works great on a DSing unit.

Good plan ShadarLogoth :-)

One of my friend has tried the death star royal court once.
5 lords+Mindshackle+Orb+2 phase shifter+1 Overlord with 2+/3++

What i did is just shoot--move 6" back--shoot-move 6"back until that court dead : |
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Keep in mind, court can loud into an empty ghost ark then jet across the field, unload and assault (mmm open topped vehicles). Too bad Ghost arks are such a bloody expensive transport... Wish there were options for bare boned versions of their vehicles (like sans the ability to repair warriors, or even get rid of quantum shielding) and make the thing like 40-55 points before upgrades.

Ark... Jet...

LOL!

Jet at the amazing speed of 12" before getting melta'd in the face :-)

Apple1988218 , your friend should have done a " run " and if he could have rolled a good one then he could have gotten into your unit that same turn.

LoreWeaver.. funny how that is put, but keep this inmind, once the ark is " Popped " open with Melta.. guess what waits inside as they disembark, 7 Lords with war scythe and 2+ saves heck i think SM would even think twice about that before they pop it open. Thats like killing something and finding out there is a worser evil inside lmao.. if that even a real word. " worser " lol

Necronmike wrote:Apple1988218 , your friend should have done a " run " and if he could have rolled a good one then he could have gotten into your unit that same turn.

LoreWeaver.. funny how that is put, but keep this inmind, once the ark is " Popped " open with Melta.. guess what waits inside as they disembark, 7 Lords with war scythe and 2+ saves heck i think SM would even think twice about that before they pop it open. Thats like killing something and finding out there is a worser evil inside lmao.. if that even a real word. " worser " lol

Yes he run....but still, since the necrons don't have fleet, he has no chance to get into 12" range after my turn.
He even put them in a ghost ark, but I have a vindicare in my list and have got a

22or24-14-20-11-17-8-killed

oh I see, yeah i have been on the recieving end of something like that and wow it totaly sucks

if you run the court deahstar you need to load it in a ghost ark and shield it with other av 13 for coversave untill it cna unload, next to it you need other threaths like scarabs and wraiths. Somehting like this:

Overlord, 2+/3++ Warscythe, MS
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS, Rez Orb
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS
Lord 2+ Staff of Light, Tesseract Lab
Lord 2+ Staff of Light, Tesseract Lab

you need the labyrinths voor chars like draigo, etc...

Overlord, 2+/3++ Warscythe, MS
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS, Rez Orb
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS

I like that setup. Maybe add a tek or two for flavour (particularly a chrono), and double up on them so you can bookend armies and they just can't run from one IMHO.

only problem i see with using swarm.. and i like them ... they won't be able to keep up with the Ark. plus every one i play likes to Kill them befor they get close enough to do any thing. :( sure wish matt Ward would have left them as jetbikes. grrrrrr

Keep up with an Ark? A Monolith can keep up with an Ark! *laughs*

Dropping the DeathStar Unit in a NightScythe is not bad, as long as you get that cover save and don't die. Coming in from the board edge would be painful.

this is true, i've read some of your post on why you shouldnt use ghost arks Weave.. lol.. i'm torn on what to do because i currently have a ghost ark model but it is not put together yet and i am having a hard time on what to make it.. ghost ark or dooms day ark. i've built a mock up model of a nightscythe and it works good, sure does suck to have Weapons destroyed on it though. it kind of becomes useless after that other then a " buss " for necrons lol .. oh and that being said, i was fustrated with how the dice was rolling for me and i didn't even use it as a buss and i should have .. duhh

Its very pleasant to hear that necrons potentially have a "deathstar" unit. I remember Pariah being amazing on the charge but, sadley, they were not necrons and could not make WBB rolls.

ShadarLogoth wrote:

Overlord, 2+/3++ Warscythe, MS
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS, Rez Orb
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS
Lord 2+ Warscythe, MS

I like that setup. Maybe add a tek or two for flavour (particularly a chrono), and double up on them so you can bookend armies and they just can't run from one IMHO.

This setup casts 580pts, only 10pts less than Draigo+5 Paladins(2sword,2halberd,1hammer,2psycannon) and has zero shooting ability... : |

But the *wreck* Draigo & 5 paladins in close combat.

1/2 the unit will be hitting itself D3 times. The lords all deny FNP, and 1/2 get up after they lie down.

loreweaver wrote:But the *wreck* Draigo & 5 paladins in close combat.

1/2 the unit will be hitting itself D3 times. The lords all deny FNP, and 1/2 get up after they lie down.

If they have a chance to get into close combat, they are true deathstars.
But the biggest problem is how to get them there : |

It seems that even with the protect from the ghost ark, your enemy can still have enough time to kill (or at least weaken) them with only S4/5/6 weapons before they get into close combat, and that means you lost 3KPs and 695pts for nearly nothing

If we can find some better way to transport them, this squad will be more practical i think.

i do agree with Loreweaver,, the best transport for this unit would be NightScythe...go supersonic 36" .. bail out with cover, then assult next round. just have to survive one round of shooting but thats why we take Resorbs and hope to roll high numbers. lol

apple1988218 wrote:

loreweaver wrote:But the *wreck* Draigo & 5 paladins in close combat.

1/2 the unit will be hitting itself D3 times. The lords all deny FNP, and 1/2 get up after they lie down.

If they have a chance to get into close combat, they are true deathstars.
But the biggest problem is how to get them there : |

It seems that even with the protect from the ghost ark, your enemy can still have enough time to kill (or at least weaken) them with only S4/5/6 weapons before they get into close combat, and that means you lost 3KPs and 695pts for nearly nothing

If we can find some better way to transport them, this squad will be more practical i think.

AV 13 open topped is about as good of a delivery system for an assault death star you can get short of a LR. Plus It's not particularly hard to block or at least obscure LOS with other AV 13 vehicles.

I haven't seen near the discussions on this as I use to when the new raiders came out, but depending on how you play the pivot role, GAs gain a lot of distance on the first turn pivot. This can give the deathstar about a 24" charge range, not bad at all really. If played right I really don't see any challenge in getting these guys into the mix.

loreweaver wrote:I don't know if this has been posted before, I haven't seen it, so I'm assuming no.


P(Mindshackle Fail on LD)

p(10) = 50%
p(9) = 62.5%
p(8) = 74.1%
p(7) = 83.8%
p(6) = 90.7%
p(5) = 95.3%
p(4) = 98.1%
p(3) = 99.5% (so the chance you'll roll 3 1's on 3 dice is 0.5%, if you're interested :-) )
p(2) = 100%

This matches with the calculations I did for it.
I agree, the deathstar type unit doesn't have a good enough save to be useful, and there is plenty out there that can ID the lords. You might have better chances if you used a Despairtek and a Veil of Darkness as the transport option.

Necronmike wrote:i do agree with Loreweaver,, the best transport for this unit would be NightScythe...go supersonic 36" .. bail out with cover, then assult next round. just have to survive one round of shooting but thats why we take Resorbs and hope to roll high numbers. lol

But the bad news is that if the NightScythe is destroyed, the embarked unit is not allowed to disembark but instead enters reserve( and cannot deep strike), That means they can nearly never have a chance to assault.....

I think the Ghost Ark is the best transport for this unit in necron codex.... AV13+opentopped is not bad.

Despairtek is a little scary, due to Deep Strike Mishap, or an overall poor scatter.

The problem with a Ghost Ark, is then you have a Ghost Ark. What does that thing do? Kill a pair of Ork Boyz a turn? *laughs*

(Oh, Necronmike, even though I enjoy slamming the Ghost Arks, they aren't all that bad, you should build that over a Doomsday Ark. Doomsday Ark's are actually bad. In fact, they're so bad, they're almost as bad as a C'Tan ... *laughs*)