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2012/01/09 19:16:21
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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My opponent argues that since his lasplas turret can see me, he is going to measure from the front of the hull to my units. :-| I failed to find anything in the book saying that he supposes to measure firing range from the turret.
Is he right?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/01/09 19:29:14
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2012/01/09 19:20:21
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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All vehicles measure from gun barrels. Don't know the page off hand but it is under vehicles (I think vehicles firing).
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/01/09 19:20:46
Subject: Re:Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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Yes, he is. LOS is measured down the barrel of the weapon, range is measured from the hull of the vehicle.
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2012/01/09 19:26:12
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Page 56, under vehicles & measuring distances. Second paragraph. Vehicles firing are measured from the muzzle of the weapon firing.
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/01/09 19:27:09
Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/01/09 19:32:04
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Bugger. It seems I have been cheated yet again.
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2012/01/09 19:32:38
Subject: Re:Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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D'oh. Reading fail. Happyjew is correct, when firing you measure from the barrel of the weapon.
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2012/01/09 19:36:04
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I knew it was measured from the muzzle due to the FAQ about templates covering the hull of the firing vehicle. I'm just surprised I didn't get ninja'd while looking for my srb.
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/01/09 19:37:33
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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Also, he has his weapon turret on his Razorback mounted the other way around (so his gun is closer to the front). What do I do?
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2012/01/09 19:48:00
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Modifications like that can be argued as to whether or not they're legal. Some people have a problem with it, others could care less. As to what you can do about it, get a wrecked result (or weapon destroyed result).
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Greebo had spent an irritating two minutes in that box. Technically, a cat locked in a box may be alive or it may be dead. You never know until you look. In fact, the mere act of opening the box will determine the state of the cat, although in this case there were three determinate states the cat could be in: these being Alive, Dead, and Bloody Furious.
Orks always ride in single file to hide their strength and numbers.
Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destructor, Volguus Zildrohar, Gozer the Traveler, and Lord of the Sebouillia |
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2012/01/09 19:56:59
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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leohart wrote:Also, he has his weapon turret on his Razorback mounted the other way around (so his gun is closer to the front). What do I do?
The Razorback mounting fits either way.
The only thing you can do is get a weapon destroyed result to destroy the gun.
Mounting the turret plate makes no difference if the hole is closer to the back or closer to the front, since the side and front armor is the same. He can always just turn sideways upon deployment and have the gun even closer to your troops, since the barrel sticks out over the side of the razorback.
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2012/01/09 20:31:41
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Secretive Dark Angels Veteran
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@DeathReaper. Yes it does. Rotating side way is around the center of the vehicle and thus won't grant you range except done at the start during deployment.
The problem is not with his armour but with the range of his gun.
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2012/01/09 20:34:09
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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The Hive Mind
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leohart wrote:@DeathReaper. Yes it does. Rotating side way is around the center of the vehicle and thus won't grant you range except done at the start during deployment.
The problem is not with his armour but with the range of his gun.
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Yes, it will gain range. What you just said is the same thing as saying "Don't back the truck up to the front door - it's the same distance if you park straight on and we walk around it."
Something at a fixed point that is not at the center of the vehicle (even the forward mounted RB turret isn't in the center) will change distance based on rotation.
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2012/01/09 20:36:45
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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leohart wrote:The problem is not with his armour but with the range of his gun.
There's no real problem here. It doesn't change where he deploys. So long as he's not flipping if over mid-game, it's really not an issue. The turret being slightly closer to the front of the vehicle also means that it's slightly further from the rear. How often is your entire army directly in front of his razorback?
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2012/01/09 21:40:43
Subject: Measure firing distance from the hull?
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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leohart wrote:The problem is not with his armour but with the range of his gun.
Again that is a non issue. This is because it only matters if the vehicle has its front pointed directly at what he is shooting, and since the front and side armor values are the same there is no real need to have the front of the vehicle facing your target and the gun will be in the same position if the mounting hole in the front or in the back.
Either way Insaniak is correct.
Insaniak wrote:So long as he's not flipping if over mid-game, it's really not an issue.
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