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Hi

I have a 2500 point tournament coming up towards the middle of the year and I need some help. I've never played a game with this many points and finding it very overwhelming to be honest.

I want to include Abaddon as I've not used him before but I've no idea what else to run. I'm open to all ideas but dont want to do an oblit/lash list as I'd find that boring.

I know I should have some idea but I just cant grasp what to use as I say anything is possible so lets see what you can think up.

Thanks

I use abaddon alot and is a very good HQ to use but beware of other HQ who have rules that mean they gain your missed attacks Eg:Commander Dante. Also I would advise you to give your troop choices the mark of Tzeentch or Khorne.Mabey have a few Raptors as fast attack and some terminators.I will Pm or post upmy army list soon.

Abaddon requires that you place him inside a Land Raider with a strong cc unit,, only the finest rides for the finest of characters!!!

andyroo9000 wrote:I use abaddon alot and is a very good HQ to use but beware of other HQ who have rules that mean they gain your missed attacks Eg:Commander Dante. Also I would advise you to give your troop choices the mark of Tzeentch or Khorne.Mabey have a few Raptors as fast attack and some terminators.I will Pm or post upmy army list soon.

Thanks that would be greatly appreciated

This is the list of models that I currently have/will have by then if it helps any one.

khorne

Daemon Prince
Mark of khorne
Wings
140

Chaos Dreadnought
100 Close combat arm

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad
Skull Champion
Powerfist
Rhino
Dozer Blade
248

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad
Skull Champion
Powerfist
Rhino
Combi Weapon
Dozer Blade
258

Vindicator
Daemonic Possession
145

Tzeentch

Chaos Sorcerer
Jump Pack
Mark of Tzeentch
Bolt of Change
Warptime
Meltabombs
200

Chosen 6 Men
4 Meltaguns
Powersword
163

Thousand Sons 6 man squad + Sorcerer
Melta Bombs
Wind of Chaos
238

Thousand Sons 6 man squad + Sorcerer
Melta Bombs
Wind of Chaos
238

Thousand Sons 6 man squad + Sorcerer
Melta Bombs
Wind of Chaos
238

Chaos Raptors 5 man squad
Plasma pistol
Flamer
Champion
Power Fist
160

Chaos Havocs 5 man squad
Lascannon x2
Missle Launcher x2
185 (Have two heavy bolter guys as well)

Chaos Vindicator
Daemonic Possession
145

Chaos Defiler
170 Twin-linked Lascannon

Chaos Dreadnought
Missle Launcher
Close Combat Arm
Heavy Flamer
105

Daemon Prince
Wings
Mark of Tzeentch
Bolt of Change
175

Rhino for one of the above units

Slaanesh

Abaddon
275

Chaos Terminators 4 man squad
3 Combi Meltas
Heavy Flamer
Chainfist
Mark of Slaanesh
170

Sorcerer
Mark of Slaanesh
Lash of Submission
Melta Bombs
130

Nurgle

Daemon Prince
Mark of Nurgle
Wings
Warptime
175

Plague Marines  5 man squad
Icon 
2 Melta Guns 
Rhino 
Champion
Powerfist
215

Plague Marines  5 man squad
Icon 
2 Plasma Guns 
Power Weapon
Champion
Rhino 
215

Other

4 Obliterators

You could do something like this its about fifty points short but just something I came up with off the top of my head

abandon
Karn

3 units of 8 bezerkers. Fister champ two squads have rhinos
3 units of 7 plague marines 2 melts each in rhino

3 termis with combi melts w/ possessed land raider
2 oblits
2 oblits

No lash lots of stab still oblits though you need their versatility in my opinion

That looks quite a good list thanks

here's one I made today

Abaddon
275

5 Berserkers, Champion and Power Fist
145

Laind Raider 220

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad
Skull Champion
Powerfist
Rhino
Dozer Blade
248

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad
Skull Champion
Powerfist
Rhino
Dozer Blade
258

Plague Marines 5 man squad
Icon
2 Melta Guns
Rhino
Champion
Powerfist
215

Plague Marines 5 man squad
Icon
2 Plasma Guns
Power Weapon
Champion
Rhino
215

Thousand Sons 6 man squad + Sorcerer
Melta Bombs
Wind of Chaos
Rhino
273

Chaos Terminators 4 man squad
3 Combi Meltas
Heavy Flamer
Chainfist
Mark of Slaanesh
170

Chaos Defiler
170 Twin-linked Lascannon

Chaos Defiler
170 Twin-linked Lascannon

Obliterators x2
150

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Abaddon rides with the small berzerker squad in the LR. The terminator squad deep strikes in. The Plasma plagues and T Son unit are objective holders and everything else goes full pelt towards the enemy. Obliterators are either Deep striking in for power fisting action or providing long range support, I could swap them out for a dread.

I have about 3200 points of chaos with Abaddon and one thing i know about putting him in a land raider is he always gets targeted. if you put him in there then get a paint brush and paint a target on your land raider and say bye bye.

Get terminators and deep strike him in also have a daemon prince as a second as its hard to kill and becomes basic leverage to shoot at while abaddon makes his approach.

here's one I made today

Abaddon
275

5 Berserkers, Champion and Power Fist
145

Laind Raider 220


More berzerkers in the land raider would be better + always run LR with extra armour

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad
Skull Champion
Powerfist
Rhino
Dozer Blade - not really necessary, you can only move 6 inches in difficult terrain with this unfortunately
248

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad
Skull Champion
Powerfist
Rhino
Dozer Blade
258

Plague Marines 5 man squad
Icon
2 Melta Guns
Rhino
Champion
Powerfist
215

Plague Marines 5 man squad
Icon
2 Plasma Guns
Power Weapon
Champion
Rhino
215

Thousand Sons 6 man squad + Sorcerer
Melta Bombs
Wind of Chaos
Rhino
273

I'd stick more plague marines in here, usually mixing 3 types of troops is undesirable because the enemy can pick out the greatest threat and eliminate it

Chaos Terminators 4 man squad
3 Combi Meltas
Heavy Flamer
Chainfist
Mark of Slaanesh
170

My favorite terminator builds- 3x terminators with 2x combi-plasma 1x reaper autocannon, 10x terminators mixed weapons with IoT (poor man's TH/SS terminators)
-the MoS and mixing of rolls generally marginalizes the effectiveness of terminators

Chaos Defiler
170 Twin-linked Lascannon

Chaos Defiler
170 Twin-linked Lascannon

Lascannon not worth the extra points, cannot fire the defiler's cannon+lascannon at the same time

Obliterators x2
150

A 3rd oblit would help

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Abaddon rides with the small berzerker squad in the LR. The terminator squad deep strikes in. The Plasma plagues and T Son unit are objective holders and everything else goes full pelt towards the enemy. Obliterators are either Deep striking in for power fisting action or providing long range support, I could swap them out for a dread.

Thanks for both of your comments.

I agree that running one LR is too risky the other flip side is that If I deep strike Abaddon in with a termi unit he has the risk of running off if they fail a morale test.

I think running Daemon princes at this high a point level would be dangerous as I'm expecting lots of heavy weapons.

Also another thing I thought of with LR's is that they will be a bit pointless with berzerkers in as I'll never get to fire their weapons as they will be going too fast then when they drop off their drops they will be toasted by melta.

I see what you mean by running more than two different troop types, it would make it more obvious for the op to choose target priority.

I find the las cannon on the defilers quite useful as it gives them a backup heavy weapon when the battle cannon is blown off.

The term unit I have is already modelled the idea behind them is for anti tank when they deep strike in then turning to take on infantry with power weapons.

I think i'll try to think of something else without LR's as they aren't great in our current version of the CSM codex.

I'd have no problems making 2500 with the other codexs I have, not sure why CSM is so hard at this level.

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Edit: A list without Abaddon, not sure if I can afford the bits I dont have but see what you think.

Daemon Prince
Mark of Nurgle
Wings
Warptime
175

Daemon Prince
Wings
Mark of Tzeentch
Warptime
175

Plague Marines  5 man squad
Icon 
2 Melta Guns 
Rhino 
Champion
Powerfist
200

Plague Marines  5 man squad
Icon 
2 Plasma Guns 
Rhino 
170

Plague Marines  5 man squad
Icon 
2 Melta Guns 
Rhino 
Champion
powerfist
200

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad
Skull Champion
Powerfist
Rhino
Dozer Blade
248

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad
Skull Champion
Powerfist
Rhino
Dozer Blade
248

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad
Skull Champion
Powerfist
Rhino
Dozer Blade
248

Chosen 5 Men
4 Meltaguns
Rhino
165

Chosen 5 Men
5 Meltaguns
Rhino
175

Chaos Terminators 3 man squad
3 Combi Meltas
Chainfist
Mark of Slaanesh
135

Defiler
Twin-linked Las
170

Defiler
Twin-linked Las
170

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I belive they call it rhino rush

Something you can consider trying at 2500 level.

6 squads of basic CSM, with lascannon.

1 sqads of termis in 1 Landraiders, with Abbadon

Another squad of chosen (close combat outfitted) with Kharn, in another Landraider.

3 Las cannon Predators.

1 last infiltrating chosen squad of 5, with 1 Lascannon again!

So, in total, you will have ... 13 normal lascannons, and 7 twin linked lascannons!

You also get to use Abaddon and Kharn. Even with 20 lascannon shots, some units will get close. Those that do, unload 60 bolter shots (120 rapid fire shots) at them, then charge them with either Abaddon or Kharn's unit.

What do you think? hee.


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Then again, that ight be more like a 3000 point army, I didn't count them up. lol

GiraffeX wrote:Thanks for both of your comments.

I agree that running one LR is too risky the other flip side is that If I deep strike Abaddon in with a termi unit he has the risk of running off if they fail a morale test.

Abaddon does not have to take morale tests due to being fearless and also gives the terminators fearless due to being an independent character.

Hope this helps

Darkhorse

darkhorse19 wrote:

GiraffeX wrote:Thanks for both of your comments.

I agree that running one LR is too risky the other flip side is that If I deep strike Abaddon in with a termi unit he has the risk of running off if they fail a morale test.

Abaddon does not have to take morale tests due to being fearless and also gives the terminators fearless due to being an independent character.

Hope this helps

Darkhorse

Incorrect, his fearless USR does not get conferred to the unit he is in, and if the unit he is in falls back, so does he, this is clearly stated in the BRB. So essentially he loses fearless. I would recommend berzerkers since they are fearless.




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Eldenfirefly wrote:Something you can consider trying at 2500 level.

6 squads of basic CSM, with lascannon.

1 sqads of termis in 1 Landraiders, with Abbadon

Another squad of chosen (close combat outfitted) with Kharn, in another Landraider.

3 Las cannon Predators.

1 last infiltrating chosen squad of 5, with 1 Lascannon again!

So, in total, you will have ... 13 normal lascannons, and 7 twin linked lascannons!

You also get to use Abaddon and Kharn. Even with 20 lascannon shots, some units will get close. Those that do, unload 60 bolter shots (120 rapid fire shots) at them, then charge them with either Abaddon or Kharn's unit.

What do you think? hee.


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Then again, that ight be more like a 3000 point army, I didn't count them up. lol

Hmm, this is not a legal list unfortunately. It has 4 heavy slots, only one of the LR is a dedicated transport(the termies), so you have 3 predators and 1 LR as heavy choice. However a lot of armies at 3k points sort of have to negate the FOC in order to reach the 3k mark, especially armies like hoard orks.

Heres another try at the list


Abaddon 
275 

5 Berserkers, Champion and Power Fist 
145 

Land Raider
220

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad 
Skull Champion 
Powerfist 
Rhino 
Dozer Blade 
248 

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad 
Skull Champion 
Powerfist 
Rhino 
Dozer Blade 
248

Plague Marines 5 man squad 
Icon 
2 Melta Guns 
Rhino 
Champion 
Powerfist 
215 

Plague Marines 5 man squad 
Icon 
2 Plasma Guns 
Champion 
Rhino 
Powerfist
225

Plague Marines 5 man squad 
Icon 
2 Melta Guns 
Rhino 
Champion 
Powerfist 
215

Chaos Terminators 4 man squad 
3 Combi Meltas 
Heavy Flamer 
Chainfist 
Mark of Slaanesh 
170 

Chaos Defiler 
Twin-linked Lascannon 
170

Vindicator
Daemonic Possession
145

Vindicator
Daemonic Possession
145

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Its really going for the teeth this time sending everything forward popping smoke for cover for the rhinos behind then swapping places and popping smoke again.

Objectives would need to be placed on the other players side. Slightly under points at the moment I have considered adding kharn with abaddon in the LR as well for a real hammer hit.

The LR comes from the term unit so first turn they will need to jump in. The defiler will be a distraction from the LR.



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New list up this one is looking quite good I think

Abaddon 
275 

Kharn
165

5 Berserkers, Champion and Power Fist 
145 

Land Raider
220

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad 
Skull Champion 
Powerfist 
Rhino 
Dozer Blade 
248 

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad 
Skull Champion 
Powerfist 
Rhino 
Dozer Blade 
248

Plague Marines 5 man squad 
Icon 
2 Melta Guns 
Rhino 
Champion 
Powerfist 
215 

Plague Marines 5 man squad 
Icon 
2 Plasma Guns 
Rhino 
185

Plague Marines 5 man squad 
Icon 
2 Melta Guns 
Rhino 
Champion 
Powerfist 
215

Chaos Terminators 3 man squad 
3 Combi Meltas 
chain fist
120

Chaos Defiler 
Twin-linked Lascannon 
170

Vindicator
Daemonic Possession
145

Vindicator
Daemonic Possession
145

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Something that I love doing with CSM is running dualie land raiders with 2 daemon princes. Move the LR up and hide the daemon princes completely out of LOS behind the land raiders. They can then pop out and support the 2 squads assaults.

I'd take defilers over vindis any day- vind has 1 weapon syndrome and its not as good as its Blood Angels equivalent that can move 12'' and fire -which still isnt used that much because of the aforementioned weakness :-/

Can't write up something exotic on my phone, but here's a general idea I have.

Two squads of havocs with four lascannons in a rhino with a IOCG
A predator with full lascannons and possession

Abaddon
Chaos lord with MOK on a mount with a pair of lightning claws

X4 terminators, lightning claws, MOS, land raider
X5 terminators, combimeltas and powerfists, land raider
X3 terminators, x3 combimeltas, x3 chainfists

Fill the rest up with berserkers

Maximize the models in power armor, lash is not necessary, use oblits. They're the best shooty unit in the game use them! three squads of three. 10 man squads of csm are cheap and effective. rhinos is thats your style but ive never needed them, mellta are king maybe plasma take special weapons in pairs, you might find yourself fighting against lots of bugs,elfs or greenskins good old fashioned double flamers are cheap as hell 160 for a ten man squad throw in a mark and its 165.

Another version of the list with obliterators taking the heavy slots.


Abaddon
275

kharn
165

Terminators 5 man squad
1x 2 LC, 3x CM/CF, 1 RA/LC
Icon of Nurgle
Land Raider
515

Chaos Terminators 4 man squad (DS)
3 Combi Meltas 
Heavy Flamer 
Chainfist 
Mark of Slaanesh 
170 

6 obliterators
450

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad 
Skull Champion 
Powerfist 
Rhino 
Dozer Blade 
248 

Khorne Berserkers 8 man squad 
Skull Champion 
Powerfist 
Combi melta
Rhino 
Dozer Blade 
248

Plague Marines 5 man squad 
Icon 
2 Melta Guns 
Rhino 
Champion 
Powerfist 
215 

Plague Marines 5 man squad 
Icon 
2 Plasma Guns 
Rhino 
185

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