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My friend is consistently trying to deny that a barrage comes from the top and that top armour counts as side armour and he doesn't get a cover save outside of area terrain because i have no LoS. Can anyone help me out and show me where the rules are? (I've already looked under blast and barrage)

BRB, pg 60. Last column, 2nd to last paragraph.
Well the vehicle part anyway.

The cover issue is pg. 32, 4th paragraph, first column.

It is on page 60; last sentence of the bullet point: "The centre of the blast marker ends over the vehicle's hull."

The Cover issue is a little different than you think; vehicles never gain cover saves from terrain at all against Barrage weapons.

The is both due to Page 32 telling us that the only cover that matters is Area Cover(or cover between the center hole and the model hit); and the fact that vehicles must be at least 50% obscured in LOS in order to get cover(page 62).

That rule came from the Cityfight expansion, due to the prevalence of high-angled shots.

However, in this case, whenever a round template hits a vehicle, the armour value used depends on the side nearest the firing unit. I don't have a big rule book, so I can't quite you a page number, but it is in the section Shooting at Vehicles.

BARRAGE shots, hit side armour though. ALWAYS.
BLAST hits the side facing the shooter.

Not all blast weapons are barrage - but ALL barrage weapons are blast as well.

KK - "The Cover issue is a little different than you think; vehicles never gain cover saves from terrain at all against Barrage weapons."

Not *entirely* true - if the blast hole ends up off the hull, and behind a suitably imposing piece of terrain, THEN the vehicle could gain cover - however usually the vehicle wont even care, due to the half strength of the blast

nosferatu1001 wrote:KK - "The Cover issue is a little different than you think; vehicles never gain cover saves from terrain at all against Barrage weapons."

Not *entirely* true - if the blast hole ends up off the hull, and behind a suitably imposing piece of terrain, THEN the vehicle could gain cover - however usually the vehicle wont even care, due to the half strength of the blast

I thought vehicles could also get a cover save if the barrage blast ended up over the hull as long as they're in area terrain and they have 50% of LOS blocked.

How can there be cover between the hole, which is on the hull, and the tank?

nosferatu1001 wrote:How can there be cover between the hole, which is on the hull, and the tank?

It's not on the hull, it's over the hull. If there's terrain just above the vehicle (say thick tree branches or the floor of something that isn't a ruin), wouldn't that give cover?

Possible, but unlikely - so you are technically correct, the best kind of correct!

Remember it cannot be a ruin level providing this cover, as by definition the barrage could not hit the tank

If there a floor and the hike hits the floor then the shot never hits the vehicle since it can only strike things in the same level.

Barrage also hits the top level if a ruin where it lands. Aka if you scatter into a ruin even though you target the ground you could end up on the top floor due to barrage rules.