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Is a spell successfully cast even if it is dispelled? RAW say yes. How do you play it?

RAW says no. If I dispel it it is not successful

The book says "If the casting result equals or exceeds the spell's casting value, the spell is cast (though it may be subsequently dispelled and neutralized by the opposing player.

And what does the section on Dispelling say on the subject?

"If the dispel result equals or exceeds the spell's casting result, the dispel is successful and the spell does not take effect."

The spell does not take effect but it was successfully cast. Do you see what I mean?

When it says in "subsequent turns" it is talking about remain in play spells and getting rid of them in later turns.

RAW, if a spell is dispelled, it does NOT go off successfully.

It actually does not say that at all.

If a casting attempt "fails," it means he failed to meet the casting value. That has a side effect that they cannot attempt to cast again that turn.

It's a hit vs. wound. A spell cast is a hit. But it's irrelevant unless it wounds. It has no effect if dispelled. "The opposing player now has a chance to prevent the spell's effects by attempting to dispel it."

"If the dispel results equals...the dispel is successful and the spell does not take effect."

If you're talking about, say, lore attributes. Like Life healing based on a cast. The Lore Attribute itself says it "gives certain spells an extra effect." But dispel prevents the spell effects. It doesn't say spell effecT, singular. The very top of page 35, the definition of dispel, says spell's effectS. Plural. If 50 things happen on successul cast of a spell, whether lore attribute or not, they are still effects, and they are still cancelled by a dispel.

Page 36. "If the enemy has failed his dispel attempt (or not even attempted one.) the spell is successfully cast."

"If the dispel results equals...the dispel is successful and the spell does not take effect."


But, the caster met the required casting value, so the spell was successfully cast. It was then dispelled by the opponent.

They even use different terms here.

Blue Scribes for Demons allows an extra power dice for each successful cast. Regardless of the "effect"

Correct?

No it was cast.

I know what you're trying to do but look at the top of page 36. This is the only place in the book where a condition is given for a spell to be considered cast successfully.

At no other point does the book say a spell is cast successfully or successfully cast, so rules as written a spell is successfully cast only when a dispel on a cast spell is failed, or a dispel is not attempted on a cast spell.

Cast /= cast successfully

Meeting the casting value == cast
Opponent failing to dispel == cast successfully

Irresistable Force has a line that says, "a spell cast with IF automatically succeeds..."

Which denotes those are 2 separate ideas. Cast. And success. So successfully cast is a full concept.

Likewise, p. 36 has Spell Resolution. "If the enemy has failed his dispel...the spell is cast successfully and its efffect is now resolved."

That makes it pretty clear. Did the enemy fail his dispel? No. Then the spall was not "cast successfully."


And I have to say, this is pretty far-fetched trying for this.

You do not have to stop casting with your wizard if your opponent dispels your first spell, as I could just dispel scroll a slaan and the magic phase would be effectively over...wouldn't that be cheap -_-

DukeRustfield wrote:Irresistable Force has a line that says, "a spell cast with IF automatically succeeds..."

Which denotes those are 2 separate ideas. Cast. And success. So successfully cast is a full concept.

Likewise, p. 36 has Spell Resolution. "If the enemy has failed his dispel...the spell is cast successfully and its efffect is now resolved."

That makes it pretty clear. Did the enemy fail his dispel? No. Then the spall was not "cast successfully."


And I have to say, this is pretty far-fetched trying for this.

Its easy to leave out the previous paragraph about reaching the casting value and being "cast successfully"

I agree with you guys but an opponent wanted to play it this way against me and there are several instances in the rulebook where the wording makes it muddy in his eyes.