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Thanks for reading.

I've studied and rulebook, IG codex, and both FAQs. Still have a little confusion I would appreciate some help on... Please...


1. An independent character has 'joined a unit' - if that unit and the independent character are eliminated, does it count for 1 kill point or 2?
2. Just confirming what think the FAQ states: an Independent Character with Stealth that has 'joined a unit' gives the Stealth rule to the entire unit, correct?
3. Is first rank order only for lasguns? I realize hot-shot lasguns don't qualify (as in the FAQ). But what about lascannons, or plasma guns?
4. Can the order Get back In The Fight rescind a previous turn's Incoming! order?
5. Does each engaged model in an assaulting squad equipped with krak grenades get a single attack on a target vehicle?
6. Do rending weapons (on a roll of 6) negate the target's invulnerable saves?
7. Can a Vet sargeant have:
2 laspistols for 0 points?
2 shotguns for 0 points?
1 laspistol and 1 shotgun for 0 points?
8. In close combat how many attacks would Vet Sargeant get having:
a pistol and a shotgun?
a laspistol and a boltpistol?
a shotgun and non-powered CCW (chainsword)?
a pair of shotguns?
9. Do walkers (Sentinel Scouts?) with their base entirely in area terrain gain a cover save?

thanks for help, much appreciated!

1. 2 KP
2. Yes
3. Yes only LASGUNS
4. Yes
5.Yes
6.No
7. Not 2 las Pistols but yes to the others. Although he may only fire one per turn.
8.2+1 except for the two Shotguns. Since he has a CCW he jsut needs a pistol or another CCW to get the extra.
9.No, they are vehicle's and must be 50% covered to get a cover save.

Wow thanks for the amazingly fast reply!

Although he may only fire one per turn.

Thanks that is good to know. That explains why people don't equip their IG Sargeants with double pistols, like a John Woo movie.

Question: So given that Pistols are essentially "Assault 1" weapons (as it says in the rulebook), can anyone think of any reason why Vet Sargeants shouldn't have shotguns instead of laspistols, along with their CCW or Power Sword? The stats for laspistol and shotgun are essentially the same, but shotguns get 2 shots.

Because the pistol counts as a single handed CCW (page 42) thus conferring an additional attack when paired with most other single handed CCW

So you decide if you want 2 S3 ap not much shots OR an additional attack in close combat -whcih could be a power weapon

but earlier 'slavetodorkness' said a shotgun+CCW sarge would get 2+1 close combat attacks, same as pistol+CCW. is what he said not true?

Stoobert wrote:but earlier 'slavetodorkness' said a shotgun+CCW sarge would get 2+1 close combat attacks, same as pistol+CCW. is what he said not true?

Shotgun is not a pistol so it does not give the +1 bonus to attacks.

Stoobert wrote:but earlier 'slavetodorkness' said a shotgun+CCW sarge would get 2+1 close combat attacks, same as pistol+CCW. is what he said not true?

He was wrong. You don't get an extra attack for having a shotgun+CCW: Pistols and ONLY Pistols, of all ranged weapons, count as CCWs for that purpose.

I think people are forgetting how to read. he said the shotguns are the exception to the bonus.

alarmingrick wrote:I think people are forgetting how to read. he said the shotguns are the exception to the bonus.

No, he said TWO shotguns were the exception. There was also an option for 'one shotgun plus CCW', and that, also, would not grant the bonus. That is what we were referring to.

The irony of your post is so thick it could be cut with a knife.

I thought he could have Shotgun, Laspistol, AND CCW. forgot that he replaces one for a shotgun. never said a shotgun gave an extra attack. I mixed it up with the Storm Trooper Sgt. who has a gun, pistol, and a CCW.

Although I did say that he needed a pistol and CCW to gain the bonus.

BeRzErKeR wrote:

alarmingrick wrote:I think people are forgetting how to read. he said the shotguns are the exception to the bonus.

No, he said TWO shotguns were the exception. There was also an option for 'one shotgun plus CCW', and that, also, would not grant the bonus. That is what we were referring to.

The irony of your post is so thick it could be cut with a knife.

See, it just proves my point. I clearly need to learn to read.....
When he put "8.2+1 except for the two Shotguns.", i took it to mean the 2 base attacks, +1 for second CCW, except for the 2 shotgun example......

Stoobert wrote:Thanks for reading.

I've studied and rulebook, IG codex, and both FAQs. Still have a little confusion I would appreciate some help on... Please...


1. An independent character has 'joined a unit' - if that unit and the independent character are eliminated, does it count for 1 kill point or 2?
2. Just confirming what think the FAQ states: an Independent Character with Stealth that has 'joined a unit' gives the Stealth rule to the entire unit, correct?
3. Is first rank order only for lasguns? I realize hot-shot lasguns don't qualify (as in the FAQ). But what about lascannons, or plasma guns?
4. Can the order Get back In The Fight rescind a previous turn's Incoming! order?
5. Does each engaged model in an assaulting squad equipped with krak grenades get a single attack on a target vehicle?
6. Do rending weapons (on a roll of 6) negate the target's invulnerable saves?
7. Can a Vet sargeant have:
2 laspistols for 0 points?
2 shotguns for 0 points?
1 laspistol and 1 shotgun for 0 points?
8. In close combat how many attacks would Vet Sargeant get having:
a pistol and a shotgun?
a laspistol and a boltpistol?
a shotgun and non-powered CCW (chainsword)?
a pair of shotguns?
9. Do walkers (Sentinel Scouts?) with their base entirely in area terrain gain a cover save?

thanks for help, much appreciated!

1. one kill point per selection, in truth the HQ is basically a separate unit for all intents and purpose bar shooting and wounds therein
2. Yes, Like Torias telion.
3. No, only lasguns. imagine it being like a napoleonic era firefight, with men forming in lines to shoot.
4. Does the Incoming rule even take effect this turn?
5. Yes.
6. No. as of now, nothing negates Invuns.
7. Yes, Yes and Yes. Though I hear your shotguns suck.
8. 1. basic, 2. an extra attack for two CCW, 3. basic 4 basic.
9. No, the vehicles rules work differently, even for walkers. Remember you're talking about something three times the size of a marine and still not able to crouch. he isn't able to hide inside a crater.