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If i'm readying sweep attack correctly it says that it can make 3 attacks during the movement phase against one enemy unit each turn that it moves over.

Does that mean moving over one unit allows me to make 3 separate attacks against it all during the movement phase?

It states you roll to hit and to wound separetely for each sweep attack; does that mean technically i could use Trazyn the infinites Empathetic Obliterator ability once each sweep for a total of 3 Empathetic Obliterator uses? (granted the fact an enemy is killed each sweep)

Empathic Obliterator doesn't work because you're not in close combat. As you noted, the sweep attacks take place in the movement phase.

But they gey any special bonuses from the CCWs, so I'm inclined to say that the Empath would work.

However Emphatic Obliterator specifies that it works in close combat.

Valkyrie wrote:But they gey any special bonuses from the CCWs, so I'm inclined to say that the Empath would work.

Thats what I was thinking too; it does state "For each success the unit suffers a hit at the character's strength, plus any Strength bonuses and special abilities from his close combat weapon" which i'm guessing wargear falls under this category since it can be used in close combat?

I think at best you would get just 1 use of his special ability. If you do several wounds in melee with him he only kicks off the "pulse attack" once. I would say he gets it, but you only activate the special ability 1 time. Thats how I would play it.

Norbu the Destroyer wrote:I think at best you would get just 1 use of his special ability. If you do several wounds in melee with him he only kicks off the "pulse attack" once. I would say he gets it, but you only activate the special ability 1 time. Thats how I would play it.

Thats what I was originally thinking but then I saw that the Sweep Attack ability says Roll To Hit and To Wound separately for each sweep Attack. His Empathetic Obliterator occurs after all blows have been struck, but before Assault results are determined. I know he's not assaulting but it does say use any special bonus's he would normally get from his CC weapons. But since he's not assaulting would the "assault results" be determined 3 times, once for each sweep, since it says Roll To Hit and to Wound separately for each attack which would include the CC special abilities from his close combat weapon (Empathetic Obliterator) for each one?

i.e. sweep 1 - roll to hit/wound - Empathetic obliterator - Assault results determined for 1st attack
i.e. sweep 2 - roll to hit/wound - Empathetic obliterator - Assault results determined for 2nd attack
i.e. sweep 3 - roll to hit/wound - Empathetic obliterator - Assault results determined for 3rd attack

As you're not in Assault, there is no determine assault result step for EO to come before. Therefore it cannot occur.

Happyjew wrote:As you're not in Assault, there is no determine assault result step for EO to come before. Therefore it cannot occur.

Wouldn't a piece of wargear that can be used in closed combat considered be a weapon though? Sorry if i'm getting that incorrect i'm still trying to get the hang of the game.

The problem is you have a cc special ability that you can use, but, due to the wording of the timing, it doesn't come into play. If, for example, it said after saves are rolled, "x" happens. But since it says "before Assault resolution" it can only work in the assault phase.


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To clarify:
Assault-
1. Roll to hit/wound/save for each Initiative step
2. Do whatever EO says to do.
3. Combat resolution.

Since there is no combat resolution with the sweep, anything that specifies it comes before combat resolution could not happen.

So if I told you to do something before that bus over there runs off the road, you wouldn't do it because the bus won't run off the road?

Unit1126PLL wrote:So if I told you to do something before that bus over there runs off the road, you wouldn't do it because the bus won't run off the road?

Nope. If the bus isn't going to run off the road, there's no point rushing around to do something before it runs off the road, is there?

Furthermore, this is 40k, not real life. EO only applies if there's a Combat Resolution step for it to precede; without that, nothing happens. If you want, you can picture the EO rule just hanging in warp-space, waiting with bated breath for a Combat Resolution to occur, so it can interrupt, swoop in and do its thing. . . but it never happens. And poor little EO just stays in warp-space, shedding bitter tears of loneliness.

Not until right before it runs off the road . As it is that is a poor example. The problem with EO is that since it specifies its done right before combat resolution, you must do it right before combat resolution.
For example, a single wound model with FNP, rolls for FNP right before being removed as a casualty (with certain restrictions). If you are not removed as a casualty, when do you roll for FNP?

Anyone who thinks that the Empathic Obliterator will work on a CCB Sweep should search for this question, because there has got to be at least 40 pages dedicated to debating it, and it is one of the few quirks in the Necron codex that actually seems to have been answered. Here's the general summation:

"If Trazyn kills one more more enemies in close combat, the Empathic Obliterator unleashes a psionic shockwave. This occurs after all blows have been struck, but before the Assault Results are determined. // To resolve the psionic shockwave, roll a D6 for every model in the combat..."

Are you in CC while aboard the Barge? No. Ergo, you cannot use the Empathic Obliterator.
Are any models in combat? No. So the Empathic Obliterator does not resolve.

This is like saying you couldn't have shot that man to death, because that man hasn't been shot, and also he's a mannequin.



EDIT: Also, just to eliminate bias, I'm a Necron player.

Q: Does a Necron Overlord on a Catacomb Command Barge benefit from Furious Charge on a Sweep Attack?In addition, are Sweep Attacks close combat attacks? (p52)
A: No to both questions.

That should put this debate to bed for good.

Lehnsherr wrote:Q: Does a Necron Overlord on a Catacomb Command Barge benefit from Furious Charge on a Sweep Attack?In addition, are Sweep Attacks close combat attacks? (p52)
A: No to both questions.

That should put this debate to bed for good.

Well with that attitude yeah

The internet is not the best place for reading into connotation.

If anything, it was an expression of being happy that a debate that has gone on for quite some time, has finally been resolved, and not an attack of any kind.

Lehnsherr wrote:The internet is not the best place for reading into connotation.

You may need to consider your own advice. I didn't see his comment as being defensive in any way, but more rather comical.

Kind of a "Way to rain all over my parade" kinda way