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Heyy everyone, my Grey Knights are back out in force after everyone in my Gaming Club continued to complain about my Eldar...

I'm going for a more Balanced Grey Knight army that can adapt to all threats, so your C&C is very much appreciated.

1. Lord Kaldor Draigo - 275pts.

2. Purifier Squad - 154pts.
w/ 2 Psycannons, 2 halberds, MC-Daemonhammer

• Rhino - 46pts.
w/ Searlight, Dozer blade

3. Purifier Squad - 154pts.
w/ 2 Psycannons, 2 halberds, MC-Daemonhammer

• Rhino - 46pts.
w/ Searlight, Dozer blade

4. Vindicare Assassin - 145pts.

5. Paladin Squad - 315pts.
w/ 5 members
• Halberd, MC-Psycannon
•MC-Daemonhammer
• Sword, MC-Psycannon
•MC-Halberd
•Halberd

6. Grey Knight Terminator Squad - 230pts.
w/ 5 members
• Justicar, MC-Daemonhammer
• Sword, Psycannon
• Halberd
• Sword
• Halberd

7. Stormraven Gunship - 226pts.
w/ TL-Multi Melta, TL- Assault Cannon, Searchlight, Psybolt ammunition

8. Dreadnought - 136pts.
w/ 2 TL-Autocannons, Searchlight, Psybolt Ammuntion

9. Dreadnought - 136pts.
w/ 2 TL-Autocannons, Searchlight, Psybolt Ammuntion

10. Dreadnought - 136pts.
w/ 2 TL-Autocannons, Searchlight, Psybolt Ammuntion

Total = 1999pts.

So, any advice guys?

Iranna.

What sort of advise are you looking really, do you want suggestions that will reduce the amount of bitching or make it slightly more optimal?

As it stands with 3 riflemen, purifiers, Paladins and draigo people will bitch, with Paladins if you have a banner you only need to MC one weapon to totally abuse wound allocation, even without out that you can abuse it.

Do the Paladins actually need psycannons? you have 4 on the purifiers, 1 on the termies, one twin-linked on of the raven, 6 Twin linked S8 shoots from the dreads, vindicare and a twin-linked multi-melta! how much more anti-tank do you really need?

I actually run mine with twin incinerators simple because of the amount of wounds it causes, this can easily snipe sergeants and special weapons out of units.

itsonlyme wrote:What sort of advise are you looking really, do you want suggestions that will reduce the amount of bitching or make it slightly more optimal?

As it stands with 3 riflemen, purifiers, Paladins and draigo people will bitch, with Paladins if you have a banner you only need to MC one weapon to totally abuse wound allocation, even without out that you can abuse it.

Do the Paladins actually need psycannons? you have 4 on the purifiers, 1 on the termies, one twin-linked on of the raven, 6 Twin linked S8 shoots from the dreads, vindicare and a twin-linked multi-melta! how much more anti-tank do you really need?

I actually run mine with twin incinerators simple because of the amount of wounds it causes, this can easily snipe sergeants and special weapons out of units.

Generally, any changes that I should consider making.

The master-crafting is just a way to re-shuffle Wound Allocation and give the squad a bit more punch.

Well, the reason I give them Psycannons is because it makes them a very versatile unit, able to handle vehicles and infantry if called upon to do so. You can never have too much Anti-Tank in today's metagame.

It's a nice idea, but I think that they can already deal with almost any unit as is, taking an incinerator would limit them in terms of versatility, i.e, being unable to pop a transport and assault the stuff that comes out without rear armour shots.

Thanks for the feedback!

Iranna.

Looks pretty good. THe only rant that I can think of is that

a. WHERE IS CROWE!! :(

but seriously, If you get draigo get more than one unit of pallies.
A great trick is to do 8 pallies with swords and 1 BB. In raven with draigo.. Resereves, fly in, deposit draigo and squad, they assault and your raven meltas a tank

Iranna wrote:Generally, any changes that I should consider making.

Like I said it depends really what the goal is of the list before anyone can give decent advise, something that did strike me in your original post was you did mention you decided to change back to grey knights because people had been complaining about the list, generally speaking eldar are a weaker army (still good) so are you just changing back to GK so you can say "you think they are bad, here are my Grey knights" or is it more "ok, well, perhaps you will enjoy playing this more, while I am aware why you are giving the Paladins or them MC weapons fact is taking a banner and one MC weapon on Psycannon and giving everyone halberds will still allow you to allocate, the only duplicate model would be the psycannons (as you will obviously have a hammer as well for anti-tank). Honest truth is people still think my GK list is pretty evil at 1500pts and I don't even use purifiers, riflemen or any special characters.

One of the main things that sticks out to me that is going to see all sorts of moaning is Draigo, on the Paladins with twin psycannons in a Stormraven, thing is you don't need to use such units to do well with a grey knights list, I personally use this as my Death star:

Grandmaster
MC halberd
Psycofun grenades

5 Paladins
Banner
2 Incinerators
1 hammer
3 Halberds

In a Redeemer with psybolts (as I use the forgeworld model)

But like I said It really depends on what kind of advise you want, reduce the bitching about your lists in general or to reduce the bitching about your eldar?

DreadlordME! wrote:Looks pretty good. THe only rant that I can think of is that

a. WHERE IS CROWE!! :(

but seriously, If you get draigo get more than one unit of pallies.
A great trick is to do 8 pallies with swords and 1 BB. In raven with draigo.. Resereves, fly in, deposit draigo and squad, they assault and your raven meltas a tank

Crowe is shocking, and even if he does make purifiers troops i still wouldn't take him, i'd hate to have a model who let's be honest, benefits your enemy a fair bit!

What kind of a list are you looking for here? Paladins or a bit of everything? A bit of everything makes this list look pretty good but i'm not too sure what you want here, sorry if i've missed something out.

DreadlordME! wrote:
a. WHERE IS CROWE!! :(

Where are the Dreadknights? Alpha striking MC's hitting hard.

wuestenfux wrote:

DreadlordME! wrote:
a. WHERE IS CROWE!! :(

Where are the Dreadknights? Alpha striking MC's hitting hard.

Dreadknights with teleporters, despite the price tag, are beast, all you really need is a heavy incinerator and a greatsword and it will pretty much pwn face, take at least 2 though coz 1 will get shot down easily if alone, you could always take Mordrak with Draigo and the paladins and pop them in there first turn!

Wow, lots of replies. I'll go through it a bit at a time.

DreadlordME! wrote:Looks pretty good. THe only rant that I can think of is that

a. WHERE IS CROWE!! :(

but seriously, If you get draigo get more than one unit of pallies.
A great trick is to do 8 pallies with swords and 1 BB. In raven with draigo.. Resereves, fly in, deposit draigo and squad, they assault and your raven meltas a tank

I've ran a Crowe-Purifier build before but I really don't like it, it's not so much my style.

You can only fit 6 models in Terminator armour in a Stormraven, hence the 5 + Draigo.

itsonlyme wrote: Like I said it depends really what the goal is of the list before anyone can give decent advise, something that did strike me in your original post was you did mention you decided to change back to grey knights because people had been complaining about the list, generally speaking eldar are a weaker army (still good) so are you just changing back to GK so you can say "you think they are bad, here are my Grey knights" or is it more "ok, well, perhaps you will enjoy playing this more, while I am aware why you are giving the Paladins or them MC weapons fact is taking a banner and one MC weapon on Psycannon and giving everyone halberds will still allow you to allocate, the only duplicate model would be the psycannons (as you will obviously have a hammer as well for anti-tank). Honest truth is people still think my GK list is pretty evil at 1500pts and I don't even use purifiers, riflemen or any special characters.

One of the main things that sticks out to me that is going to see all sorts of moaning is Draigo, on the Paladins with twin psycannons in a Stormraven, thing is you don't need to use such units to do well with a grey knights list, I personally use this as my Death star:

Grandmaster
MC halberd
Psycofun grenades

5 Paladins
Banner
2 Incinerators
1 hammer
3 Halberds

In a Redeemer with psybolts (as I use the forgeworld model)

But like I said It really depends on what kind of advise you want, reduce the bitching about your lists in general or to reduce the bitching about your eldar?

Well, I only have two armies that can hit 1500pts: Eldar and Grey Knights. With everyone becoming tired of me using Eldar, I've been forced to roll out with Grey Knights if I want to play 1500pts + games. I also like the change of pace that I get from Grey Knights.

The things is, people at my Gaming Club know how to deal with Grey Knights efficiently because so many people play them. I am the single Eldar player in my area and people tend to be thrown off a bit when they see them (the newer-mid players anyway).

GoDz BuZzSaW wrote: What kind of a list are you looking for here? Paladins or a bit of everything? A bit of everything makes this list look pretty good but i'm not too sure what you want here, sorry if i've missed something out.

I am looking for a list that can adapt to anything I come up against to a large degree and also something which I can take to any tournaments with minimal adaptations.

wuestenfux wrote: Where are the Dreadknights? Alpha striking MC's hitting hard.

I hate those things. I think they're overpriced for what they give you and moreover, are a massive eyesore.

Thank you everyone who's helped so far!

Iranna.

Iranna wrote:Well, I only have two armies that can hit 1500pts: Eldar and Grey Knights. With everyone becoming tired of me using Eldar, I've been forced to roll out with Grey Knights if I want to play 1500pts + games. I also like the change of pace that I get from Grey Knights.

The things is, people at my Gaming Club know how to deal with Grey Knights efficiently because so many people play them. I am the single Eldar player in my area and people tend to be thrown off a bit when they see them (the newer-mid players anyway).

I didn't mean don't use grey knights! what I am saying is be a little more careful with your unit choices if you want to avoid the bitching and moaning about grey knights, personally I wouldn't class the list as that balanced based on it including:

3 riflemen
2 ravens
Paladins
Draigo
2 purifier squads

Balanced as in can take on anything, not as in whether my opponent thinks it's a friendly list or not.

Personally, I think that the list is pretty solid with the AT and Anti-horde to deal with pretty much any army. Although, I feel the low-model count could be the undoing of this army.

Iranna.

AT is certainly fine but you anti-horde seems to rely on 2 small units and a AV12 vehicle which only has 4 shoots, you really lack enough stormbolters to effectively take down large units.

I think also the list relies on going first, if you don't go first then you have to reserve the raven which leaves you over 800pts down, lots of small units to concentrate fire on, its one of the reasons I stopped using the stormraven.