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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/15 22:39:52
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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Was he?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/15 22:50:09
Subject: Re:Was Angron a Dumbass?
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If you mean crazed bloodthirsty barbarian style....maybe.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/15 22:53:10
Subject: Re:Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
The oceans of the world
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Well he was smart enough to learn how to be a deamon prince.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/15 22:55:38
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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He is not a dumbass, He was accredited with being a warrior first. And knowing how to fight and everything. Warriors of khorne devot themselves to war so techincally they can formulate plans of how to kill the most. So yes in this regard compared to many tacticians yes he is a dumbass.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 201216/01/15 22:55:50
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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I think he was smart, but his emotions kind of got in the way of thinking about stuff.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/15 22:59:48
Subject: Re:Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Minnesota
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Great White wrote:Well he was smart enough to learn how to be a deamon prince.
That is certainly a good point. In relation to other primarchs....I would put his dumbass level pretty high tho...we dont have as much information on his personality as we should yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/15 23:20:18
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Do you really have to be smart to end up as a Demon Prince? Khorne isn't exactly the most demanding of Chaos Gods. Kill a bunch of people. Being that he was a Primarch, Angron was literally designed to kill people.
Angron is one of those characters that only makes sense the less you think about him.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/15 23:35:15
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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"WHERE IS MY EQUERRY?!" Angron's roaring voice echoed throughout the ship, buckling two bulkheads and killing an astropath within the 'anger zone'. The World Eater's Primarch stormed through the corridors with his head held high, smashing it through several ornate archways as his feet battered and dented the floor with each step like the beating of a war drum.
Captain Khârn of the Fifth Assault Company, Equerry of the World Eaters had been admiring the ornate workings of a dreadnought sarcophagus, a low sigh issuing forth from his helmet as he heard his lord approaching. With a thunderous crash, Angron threw his weight against the loudly snoring construct, sending it bowling into a nearby row of its fellows, knocking them all about like skittles.
"TREACHERY! BLOOD! TRAITORS!" Angron screamed, flecks of spittle splattering all over the equerry's armor, "I'LL HAVE MY REVENGE! IN BLOOD! I'LL KILL HIS FAMILY! ALL OF THEM!"
"What's wrong, my lord?" Khârn asked, his voice low as to not startle his already over-stimulated commander.
Angron thrust a small plastcrete cube in front of the Captain's face, three little movable rows covered in colored squares. Even if it weren't practically being crammed up his nose, Khârn could clearly make out the shapes of Angron's armored fingers forced into every tile.
"WHO MADE THIS?! I WANT TO EAT THEIR SKULL AND LINE MY BED WITH THEIR BONES! BLOOD!" Angron screamed again, utterly soaking Khârn head to toe in spittle.
"I AM AWAKE?! IS IT TIME TO BATTLE?!" One of the dreadnoughts cried out, the sarcophagus merely wobbling on its side without being connected to its proper frame, as Angron and the Tech-priests continued screaming at everything.
"And that" Khârn the Betrayer spoke to his audience of Red Rivers infantrymen, as he ineffectually plinked a skull full of blood against his mouthpiece and spilled it all down his front, "is why I decided to start killing everyone"
High above the world of Peacarius (soon to be renamed SLAUGHTERBLOODDEATH), the World Eaters and Emperor's Children stood waiting aboard Angron's flagship "BLOOD AND MURDER YOU NAME THE BLOODY THING" as their primarchs held a conference for war. The people of Peacarius were a timid lot, not well informed in the ways of war, and had made the fatal error of suing for peace the very second Angron's ships had entered orbit. When Fulgrim arrived it was to find the World Eaters primarch trying to tape a nuclear warhead to his fists, but lacking the ability to do it one handed had meant that instead he'd been kicking drop-ships at the Peacarius capital and screaming into space.
The equerry of the World Eaters regarded the perfect array of troops resplendent in the golden aquila, and then his own men as they stood twitching and idly swinging their deactivated chain-axes at one another so they harmlessly bounced off each other's helmets. It was no secret that neither Legion got along, but the orders of their Emperor and their Warmaster were to be obeyed. Khârn let out a sigh, as he heard his Primarch storming down the hallways towards them.
"DAMNATION AND SKULLS" Angron cried out, kicking a bulkhead door open as he forced two screaming Remembrancers into his mouth and ate them, "WHY HAVE WE NOT LEFT YET EQUERRY?!"
"My lord. You destroyed all our landing craft trying to weld them together into a bigger landing craft" Khârn the Equerry answered. In response Angron began to headbutt the floor. Roused from their non-killing stupor, the other World Eaters began to do so as well. Again Khârn sighed. He wasn't sure he had enough yarn in stock to calm them all down.
"WELL UNTIL WE GET THE THRICE BLOOD DAMNED THINGS I'M GOING TO BE REARRANGING THE SKULL TROPHIES IN MY DAMNED TEN TIMES BLOOD MURDER BEDROOM" Angron screamed, before storming out. Seconds later there was an almighty crash, and the section of the ship that housed Angron could be seen making entry into the planet's atmosphere.
"Do not worry, equerry" Fulgrim spoke softly as he appeared inexplicably behind Khârn, "We will assist your primarch as best we can..."
Khârn was going to respond, but became distinctly aware of Fulgrim's tongue caressing his ear.
The Traitor Guardsman eyed each other nervously. They had asked Khârn to tell them another story about his time before the Horus Heresy, but after agreeing to do so, he had begun to sit there staring at the campfire. After a minute froth began to build up around his helmet's mouthpiece, and he crushed the skull he had been drinking from. Everyone was too terrified to move or say a word, each hoping for someone else to make the first move.
They were trapped there for weeks.
So yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/15 23:47:58
Subject: Re:Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Alessio Cavatore
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Lol, It's all Rubik's fault.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 00:22:45
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Resolute Ultramarine Honor Guard
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In life you have strength or brain. Angron had strength so....
In fact, the reason why he is so pissed off even now is one Rubik cube he is trying to solve from loyalist days...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 0011/01/16 00:59:23
Subject: Re:Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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No. The Emperor was a dumbass when it came to Angron. Angron reacted in perfectly reasonable and predictable ways to the situations he was put in.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 01:09:02
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Ancient Venerable Dreadnought
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Predictable? Yes. Reasonable? No.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 01:13:51
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Battlewagon Driver with Charged Engine
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Veteran Sergeant wrote:Predictable? Yes. Reasonable? No.
I think that if you'd been lobotomized, had your brain rewired to crave violence, and then forced to kill people on a regular basis for years on end, you'd be a bit unhinged.
Then you add in that the Emperor basically appeared out of nowhere, said "Sup, I'm your dad! Let's go!" and then yanked him forcibly away from the only people he'd ever loved and respected, leaving them all to die for no reason. . . I think Angron was remarkably restrained in his response, actually. He didn't try to murder the Emperor until centuries later, whereas I think I would have done so right away.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 01:28:41
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
England, Northamptonshire
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In all fairness. No. He lacked the tactics of other primarchs when he went into a bloodlust, but that is all.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 01:35:18
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Infiltrating Broodlord
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I swear this has the be the best title for a forum post. I would not say he was a dumbass.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2022/02/24 01:32:50
Subject: Re:Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Mutating Changebringer
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If you go by the other Primarchs opinions of him... then yes. He's an idiot.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 02:44:58
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
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He chose the side that gave him unlimited power, and is now one of the most powerful beings in the Galaxy. He can't be that much of a dumbass.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 07:32:07
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Warp-Screaming Noise Marine
Vancouver, BC
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Sasori wrote:He chose the side that gave him unlimited power, and is now one of the most powerful beings in the Galaxy. He can't be that much of a dumbass.
That's some pretty good reasoning....
I vote for dumb instead of dumbass.... or just ass.....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 07:41:36
Subject: Re:Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Sneaky Sniper Drone
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ANGRON IS ANGER INCARNATE!
OUTRAGEOUS RAGE!
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!
For real though, he's so angry that he's named after the goddamn emotion. Barbarians don't need INT. It's a dump stat. Such is also the case with Angron.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 07:58:00
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Lady of the Lake
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I think KILL! MAIM! BURN! is a somewhat effective strategy for a force commanded by someone with a chip in their head causing them to be easily blinded by rage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 11:38:00
Subject: Re:Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Legendary Dogfighter
A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...
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Well, he was definitely an ass, that's for sure.
Was he dumb? Well, even his brothers said so...
So, dumb+ass= dumbass. And a pretty big one at that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 14:06:46
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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BeRzErKeR wrote:Veteran Sergeant wrote:Predictable? Yes. Reasonable? No.
I think that if you'd been lobotomized, had your brain rewired to crave violence, and then forced to kill people on a regular basis for years on end, you'd be a bit unhinged.
Then you add in that the Emperor basically appeared out of nowhere, said "Sup, I'm your dad! Let's go!" and then yanked him forcibly away from the only people he'd ever loved and respected, leaving them all to die for no reason. . . I think Angron was remarkably restrained in his response, actually. He didn't try to murder the Emperor until centuries later, whereas I think I would have done so right away.
Especially after, IIRC, leading a Spartacus-esque revolt and was poised to take power himself... To orchestrate an uprising means he had to have *something* ticking around in his skull... just that those people who "fixed" his head obviously made it to where, once he got to swingin his axes, he just sort lost himself to the axe, and killed until there wasnt much else to kill.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 15:15:29
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
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He was no more of a dumbass than most other primarchs. At least his excuse for turning bad was better than 'At some undisclosed point in time, the Imperium may, for unknown reasons, worship my father and not know about me'.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 15:23:40
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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BeRzErKeR wrote:I think Angron was remarkably restrained in his response, actually. He didn't try to murder the Emperor until centuries later, whereas I think I would have done so right away.
Well, he did when he was teleported onto the Emperors ship, but only managed to get his hands on a Custodes before he was teleported onto the ship of the War Hounds. After that, Kharn manged to convince that the Emperor wasn't just someone who sends others to die for Him (but is willing to personally fight as well). Ah, After De'shea is a great short story. I feel so sorry for those War Hounds.
Ensis Ferrae wrote:Especially after, IIRC, leading a Spartacus-esque revolt and was poised to take power himself... To orchestrate an uprising means he had to have *something* ticking around in his skull... just that those people who "fixed" his head obviously made it to where, once he got to swingin his axes, he just sort lost himself to the axe, and killed until there wasnt much else to kill.
Well, it was ultimately a doomed uprising wasn't it? Weren't the escaped gladiators about to be crushed before the Emperor turned up?
Either way, no, Angron was not dumb. Regardless of his implant, he was still a Primarch, and as such still had mental faculties far above ordinary men. It's just that he struggled to use them as effectively as anger would all too often cloud his mind.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 17:18:16
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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HHnners91, is that from 1d4chan? I couldn't stop laughing and it sounds like the sort of thing they'd write.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 20:31:02
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Can't remember which HH novel it was exactly, but one of the other primarchs is examining angron, thinking about him and looking at him before a conference maybe?
Angron wasn't an idiot. He had a perfectly sound tactical genius like most other primarchs, but was constantly battling his own mis fired nerve signals and commands from the lobotomy re-wiring. Aside from the twitching and hunched maniac look, it was said he'd look nearly regal and of royalty.
Without the augmented chip he'd be pretty normal actually. Maybe a bit tempermental, but nothing like he is with it in his head.
Often his consideration and decision making for strategy would be sound but he'd get impatient and twitchy because of the implant.
But he isn't just angry.
Again, one of the HH books, when kharn confronts him, after nearly dying to his rage, he finds out Angron is consumed with grief at the loss of his warriors, I think he even cries.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 20:40:24
Subject: Re:Was Angron a Dumbass?
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None of the Primarchs can be considered remotely "dumb".
All of the Primarchs are superior to any other Astartes or human in all facets of their being. The only other being with more intelligence and power would be the Emperor.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 21:49:14
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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In fact I always had wondered why the Emperor didn't try to "fix" Angron before giving him his new toy. I beleive it is fairly obvious for anyone who meets Angron those days, moreover to the Emperor, that he is nuts and something goes bad with him whenever stress starts to mount up...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 21:58:37
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Raulmichile wrote:In fact I always had wondered why the Emperor didn't try to "fix" Angron before giving him his new toy. I beleive it is fairly obvious for anyone who meets Angron those days, moreover to the Emperor, that he is nuts and something goes bad with him whenever stress starts to mount up...
+1, but that's dramatic authoring for you. I never really liked Angron as a character until I read the Dornian Heresy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/16 22:01:00
Subject: Was Angron a Dumbass?
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Epic thread. The title made me laugh for like three minutes
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