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Picture this scenario. Unit A declares a charge on Unit B. UB flees. UB rolls 2, and UA gets a charge range of 12 (M4+8). They are 6" away from each other. Right behind UB is Unit C. Now, what happens if UB is caught? Are they instantly destroyed, and UA keeps going into UC, or what?

Yes, caught and destroyed.

And if you roll enough to reach you charge unit C.
No charge reaction as it is basically a pursue charge.

I thought that's how it works.
Thanks.

Where exactly is it in the book though? I couldn't find it.

BRB p. 23, Charging a fleeing enemy:

move the charging unit(s) into contact with the fleeing enemy as described earlier and then the fleeing unit is run down by the chargers.

FAQ p. 6:

Q: If I charge an enemy and they are wiped out before the Close Combat phase, can I overrun? If I can, when does this overrun occur? (p58)
A: Yes. The overrun occurs at the start of the Close Combat
phase before any blows have been struck.

So, complete the charge against unit B and stop in base to base contact. Remove unit B. At the start of the Close Combat phase overrun into unit C.

Combat with unit C doesn't resolve until next turn, unless unit C was already engaged at the start of the Close Combat phase.

CthuluIsSpy wrote:Picture this scenario. Unit A declares a charge on Unit B. UB flees. UB rolls 2, and UA gets a charge range of 12 (M4+8). They are 6" away from each other. Right behind UB is Unit C. Now, what happens if UB is caught? Are they instantly destroyed, and UA keeps going into UC, or what?

as for pg 23 of brb. move charging unit into combat then remove caught unit. Your own unit can then attempt a leadership test to Reform. no further movement allowed in movement phase.

Thinking this further, it looks like you get your reform (assuming a passed test) AND get to overrun in the Close Combat phase.

P. 23 prohibits further movement in the Movement phase, but nothing's stopping you from moving in the Close Combat phase. As per the FAQ you get an overrun even if your opponent is wiped out before the close combat, and a fleeing unit is wiped out in the Movement phase.

So: Charge B. B flees. Catch up with B. Pass Ld-test to reform. Make a 120-degree reform (or whatever). Overrun into D. Watch opponent's eyes bulge out.

Sounds silly, but I couldn't find anything more specific concerning this in either the rulebook or the FAQ, anybody else have better luck?

Nope, and I dont htink it;s meant to combine that way as you could overrun back the way you came....

They Die

nosferatu1001 wrote:Nope, and I dont htink it;s meant to combine that way as you could overrun back the way you came....

I wholeheartedly agree, but is there anything besides common sense preventing this? Page 23 gives permission to reform and the FAQ gives permission to overrun - nothing that I can see (in the rules) prevents you from doing both.

My understanding was that FAQ was intended for situations where units deal damage in phases other than the hand to hand combat phase. So if you successfully charge a unit that is later wiped by magic or shooting that went into combat for whatever reason.

Red_Zeke wrote:My understanding was that FAQ was intended for situations where units deal damage in phases other than the hand to hand combat phase. So if you successfully charge a unit that is later wiped by magic or shooting that went into combat for whatever reason.

You are right but unfortunately as more often than not with gw they haven't put a exception in the FAQ. Most of us know it's only for other ways units die but it can still be applied to the caught fleeing unit rule. Maybe next FAQ will put the exception in.


RAW vs RAI

Not at my books now. Perhaps there's some wording in the overrun rule itself that would prevent this silliness?

So: Charge B. B flees. Catch up with B. Pass Ld-test to reform. Make a 120-degree reform (or whatever). Overrun into D. Watch opponent's eyes bulge out.

Sounds silly, but I couldn't find anything more specific concerning this in either the rulebook or the FAQ, anybody else have better luck?

Q: If I charge an enemy and they are wiped out before the Close Combat phase, can I choose to either Overrun or Reform From Victory? If I can, when does this occur? (p58)
A: Yes. This occurs at the start of the Close Combat phase before any blows have been struck.

One, not both. They both occur at the same time, at the start of the close combat phase, you choose which one you would like to perform.

Charging a Fleeing Enemy (p. 23) gives you a reform in the Movement phase, though.
The FAQ states that it's either an overrun or a reform in the Close Combat phase,
but doesn't say anything about the reform in the Movement phase.

Could the reform in the movement phase be interpreted as a Reform From Victory and therefore mutually exclusive with an Overrun?

There are a few types of reforms. To my knowledge there are Combat reforms, Reform after Victory, and Reform (as completed during the remaining moves phase of the movement phase).

The ability to reform after having caught a fleeing enemy was listed in the movement phase on page 23, but the FAQ has now changed that. Essentially, page 23 has been altered by the FAQ, as that Reform after Victory is now listed as taking place in the CC phase.

The FAQ is asking 2 questions and answering them separately.

If I charge an enemy and they are wiped out before the Close Combat phase, can I choose to either Overrun or Reform From Victory?
Yes

So you can choose to either Reform or Overrun. Granted this doesn't necessarily mean that they could not do both, as the question wasn't entirely specific to the answer we are searching for. It does imply that you can pick one of the 2 though.

If I can, when does this occur? (p58)
This occurs at the start of the Close Combat phase before any blows have been struck.

This part is the rule changer. The Reform after Victory occurs not in the movement phase, but in the CC phase. I am assuming that is the reform that you are referring to, the one granted by catching an enemy unit.

**Edit**
I remember reading page 23 of the BRB last night, and I thought it was listed as a Reform after Victory. I might be misremembering, so hopefully that isn't my mistake.

**2nd edit**

Got home and took a look at the BRB. Its just a reform they are allowed to perform.

It seems as if they have given a unit that catches an opponent the ability to reform twice, or reform and overrun, although this does sound like a huge oversight. I'd be hesitant to use it against any opponent.