Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

I have noticed over the past few years that the two missing Primarchs are creeping more and more into the lore of Warhammer 40k, mainly through the Horus Heresy series.

This might suggest that eventually they might be unveiled or actually be found.

Should we find out more about the missing Primarchs and Legions or should they remain a mystery, that is only every referred to in cryptic visions and stories?

Actually Reveal them now. Everyone now isn't going to make missing legion stuff because everyone doesn't like the idea of it.
So GW can do that. And there will only be a small backlash because most people have chosen newer foundings.

'Creeping more and more into the lore (shudder) of Warhammer 40k..."? Eh? They've been mentioned a few times in the Horus Heresy novels, and only ever in passing, never as plot points. Their only dramatic purpose is to provide a bit of mystery, let them remain one.

Remain a mystery imo.
A lot of fluff recently has removed the unknown, foreboding and sense of fear that 40k used to have.

It also allows people to create their own Chapters based on the Primarchs.

Yes. Yes they should. If there's no mystery to them, they are utterly pointless, far as I'm concerned.

Ratius wrote:It also allows people to create their own Chapters based on the Primarchs.

They can do that now.

They should just tell the tale already, it is not like it is going to be a great story .

no if only to put a stop to all these threads about the missing chapters being GK's or death watch etc that seem to pop up every other week, also it would be nice to know

you can still make your own successor chapters from the missing legionsas its said that there are thousands of other successor chapters kicking around that no ones ever seen before

DeathReaper wrote:They should just tell the tale already, it is not like it is going to be a great story .

Surely that's actually a reason not to tell it?

Also, to the OP, apostrophes are not for warning the reader that an 's' is approaching.

I say keep leaving clues about them, or have a story where they found out information on them,but don't reveal them as a whole.

I think one of the missing Primarchs was a woman.

After realising his error that a woman could only every be good at cleaning up, just like Girlyman.

So realising that he already had a female primarch with gender issues, decided never to make the same mistake again. Hence the missing Primarchs...

What has been written about them in the HH series?

Let them remain a mystery. Unless they do a warhammer 29 novel or something

Deathshead420 wrote:What has been written about them in the HH series?

Very, very little. It's hinted in Prospero Burns that the Space Wolves were responsible for exterminating them, and Malcador, who refers to them as 'the Forgotten and the Purged', reminded Dorn in 'The Lightning Tower' (in Tales of Heresy) that the Primarchs took an oath never to speak again of them. The same story indirectly confirms that all twenty Primarchs were recovered by the Emperor, while Dorn's dialogue could be taken to infer that even his was in fact unaware of their fate. This has not, of course, prevented people from dreaming up all manner of daft theories (they were the Grey Knights/Custodes/Deathwatch/Blood Ravens/whatever) despite the almost-total vacuum of information.

I don't really get the whole people using the missing legions to create chapters thing surely two legions that were absent for the Great crusade let alone the HH have no relevance to the 40k universe let it lie

Isn't it somewhat suggested Trazyn has one of them in the necron codex? I could be entirely wrong ... but it says (while describing his collection):

"The sunken chambers are crowded with artefacts of all forms: the fabled wraithbone choir of Altansar, the preserved head of Sebastian Thor, the ossified husk of an Enslaver and a giant of a man clad in baroque power armour, his face contorted in a permanent scream - to name but a few."

Again, I could be entirely wrong lol

There has been much debate on the point, but it could be any Space Marine, or a Custodes, or even an Inquisitor. Giant of a man is very vague. It could be, but most likely isn't.

Castiel wrote:There has been much debate on the point, but it could be any Space Marine, or a Custodes, or even an Inquisitor. Giant of a man is very vague. It could be, but most likely isn't.

Agreed with this. There was a massive debate about this on Dakka actually not too long ago, but the general consensus was that it's not a missing primarch.

And I think they should remain a mystery. Besides, GW can't reveal the story for the simple fact that there is none.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primarchs#Fate_of_the_Primarchs

Good summary here, there are only a couple that could still be alive....

Lion, Khan (Long shot), Russ, Guilliman (In Stasis), Vulkan, Corax, and the chaos primarchs that have been granted higher powers.

Ratius wrote:Remain a mystery imo.
A lot of fluff recently has removed the unknown, foreboding and sense of fear that 40k used to have.
It also allows people to create their own Chapters based on the Primarchs.

My thoughts exactly.

For what it's worth, Black Library authors can write what stories they want about them, but I'd prefer if GW themselves keep their hands off them and continue to mention only the vaguest of rumours about their fate, if only to encourage people to come up with their own theories/interpretations or even their own Legions and Primarchs. That's what the setting is meant for, anyways - for fans to "make it their own".

Release the models, revive Raw Butt Girlyman for kicks, and leave the rest be

In terms of 40k, it is probably best that the two missing primarchs stay that way.

If GW were to release a 30k expansion, however...

Yes.

Probably best if you don't reveal them, and just leave them as the 'warnings of an upcoming tragedy that were ignored.".