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I have a question about charging units. If a unit is in the front arc of the declared charge, can it contact the side arc if that is the only way to get into combat with it?

Pictures are the best way to illustrate for you.

Its a tzeentch battle vs. Slaanesh
A fiend of slaanesh is already involved with a enemy unit of horrors for a turn. The next turn a Lord of Tzeentch decleres a charge against the fiend. He is well within its front arc and has plenty of movement for the charge. But it is imposible for it to be completed against the front arc.


It flies directly forward, does its free wheel, and move into contact with the fiends flank.





Is this a legal charge? If it is, does it count for combat resolution for striking the flank or front?

Reading the rules again, the arc you charge into is determined by where you are when you declare the charge.

I believe that because there is no room at all to charge the unit in its front arc the charge cannot be completed and will simply be treated as a failed charge.

You can only charge into the arc you are in. There is no legal way to complete a charge into another arc, making that a failed charge

Actually it's illegal to even declare a charge that's impossible.

you are starting in the rear arc of the unit and will charge into the rear of the unit. to attempt to engage the side or front is not a legal move.

why on earth would you ever want to charge the front of a unit for any reason if you dont have to?

lixulana wrote:you are starting in the rear arc of the unit and will charge into the rear of the unit. to attempt to engage the side or front is not a legal move.

why on earth would you ever want to charge the front of a unit for any reason if you dont have to?

His trying to charge the fiend not the horrors. Still an illegal charge

Thanks guys. well understood now.

HoverBoy wrote:Actually it's illegal to even declare a charge that's impossible.

Is this true? I thought if you declared thinking you could make it, and then in moving the models realized you couldn't, you were already committed and it would be a failed charge.

RiTides- That's true in some cases- like when another unit fails a prior charge and blocks you up. You can't declare a charge that you *know* will fail.

On an isolated single charge, that shouldn't really happen very often (ever?).

Red_Zeke wrote:On an isolated single charge, that shouldn't really happen very often (ever?).

You're probably right, that's the distinction... however, on isolated charges where a long wheel or the like is involved, isn't is possible to not know if you can make it until you physically move the model?

Sometimes I've kind of talked it out with my opponent and we've agreed if a unit can/cannot make it, but I don't think that's really "by the rules". I thought, strictly RAW, that you'd have to declare and complete the wheel, seeing if you can squeak past another unit/obstacle in the process... and if you couldn't, treating it as a failed charge.

I can totally see that happening. On something like that, I'll usually pull out the tape measure in advance to check if there's clearance.

I think its mostly because I really like the 8th mechanic of determining what you need to roll for a charge and agreeing before the dice hit the table. So many fewer quibbles about charges and completion. In a similar vein, I'll try hard to determine whether a charge is possible before its declared.

But definitely come across those situations once in a while.

I have been seeing alot of this since i've started playing skaven, the long slave busses are really tricky to move around and its hard to approximate charge wheels. Guess it would be a problem with bretonnian lances too.