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Hey Guys,

I have recently just started to get back into Warhammer 40k and in need of your support and opinion on my army list. It seems pretty solid, but I would still like your opinion on it. I would greatly appreciate it, thank you

HQ

Darnath Lysander = 200 pts

Elites

Assault Terminators x5 = 200 pts

Troops

Scouts (5 man) = 125 pts
+ Snipers
+ Sergeant Telion

Tactical Squad (10 man) = 205
+ Flamer / ML
+Rhino

Tactical Squad (10 man) = 235 pts
+ Melta Gun / ML
+ Power Fist on Sergeant
+ Rhino

Heavy Support

Vindicator = 120 pts
+ Dozer Blade

Vindicator = 120 pts
+ Dozer Blade

Land Raider Redeemer (This is where the Termies and Lysander will be riding) = 265
+ Multi – Melta
+ Extra Armour


Total = 1,470 pts

Well, I'd say you don't need the locator beacon (your termies ride in the LR) and you can downgrade the Siege Shield to dozer blades (stats tells you that it's okay ). You need Extra armour on the raider to keep it moving. The remaining points can be invested in 5 scouts with count as Telion + missile launcher to sit on your objective.

1500 pts on the dot! This will give you an aggressive list with some strong AV to rush your opponent, supported by mobile tactical squads (combat-squading could prove usefull here) and a small firebase.

Good luck!

jpwyrm wrote:Well, I'd say you don't need the locator beacon (your termies ride in the LR) and you can downgrade the Siege Shield to dozer blades (stats tells you that it's okay ). You need Extra armour on the raider to keep it moving. The remaining points can be invested in 5 scouts with count as Telion + missile launcher to sit on your objective.

1500 pts on the dot! This will give you an aggressive list with some strong AV to rush your opponent, supported by mobile tactical squads (combat-squading could prove usefull here) and a small firebase.

Good luck!

Thank you for the advice, I was thinking of replacing siege shield with the dozer blade cause it can save me some points that can go to another group. When you say 5 scouts, do you mean sniper scouts or scouts with bolters? I know sniper scouts are better laid back camping on an objective, while scouts with bolter are mid-fielders to help and hold mid-field objectives or support the oncoming space marine squad.

I meant sniper scouts to match Telion's sneaky bolter. That way you can dispatch specific models when needed (say a powerfist sergeant before your Terminators charge) or blow a transport open with his Voice of Experience special rule.

Don't overstrech your force - you don't have that many units so you have to make sure everyone's helping eachother in order to win!


Edit: add the missile launcher to the scout squad : 1500 square.

Am I the only one looking at the points cost on the tactical squad and thinking that this is wrong? You're using the vanilla SM codex right? If so, those squads should cost the following:

Tactical Squad (10 man) = 205
+ Flamer / ML
+Rhino

Tactical Squad (10 man) = 235 pts
+ Melta Gun / ML
+ Power Fist on Sergeant
+ Rhino

Wow! Good catch Lotus! Guess that last Scout squad will have to go in order to keep the tacticals... In fact, the powerfist should also be cut in order to stay inside the 1500 pts range!

Lotus wrote:Am I the only one looking at the points cost on the tactical squad and thinking that this is wrong? You're using the vanilla SM codex right? If so, those squads should cost the following:

Tactical Squad (10 man) = 205
+ Flamer / ML
+Rhino

Tactical Squad (10 man) = 235 pts
+ Melta Gun / ML
+ Power Fist on Sergeant
+ Rhino

Whoa, thank you for correcting me, I thought the whole 10 man tactical squad was 90 pts in total. I didn't take note you had to add +16 for each extra model. But thanks you.


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jpwyrm wrote:Wow! Good catch Lotus! Guess that last Scout squad will have to go in order to keep the tacticals... In fact, the powerfist should also be cut in order to stay inside the 1500 pts range!

I took out the ironclad in order to fit the scouts, troops are the MVP's and are key in holding objectives. Im left with with +15 pts. Does it look like a decent build or is it to stuffed? I was thinking of using one squad with the Melta and PF for anti-tank and the normal squad of 10 man w/ flamer and ML for anti-horde. While the scouts support and hold objective and the vindicators will be firing support while the group of Tac marines and Termies w/ LR move forward.

Lysander isn't so great. Now watch the hate
He takes away combat tactics and gives your troops stubborn, this isn't a fair trade. He is hard but not too hard. He boosts his squad but not too much.

Librarians are a great HQ if you want a different choice.

Telion gives his squad stealth so you do not need the camo cloaks.
You will find combimeltas in your tactical squads work well and then the other points on a cc weapon for your other tactical squad as they will die in cc otherwise.

MFletch wrote:Lysander isn't so great. Now watch the hate
He takes away combat tactics and gives your troops stubborn, this isn't a fair trade. He is hard but not too hard. He boosts his squad but not too much.

Librarians are a great HQ if you want a different choice.

Telion gives his squad stealth so you do not need the camo cloaks.
You will find combimeltas in your tactical squads work well and then the other points on a cc weapon for your other tactical squad as they will die in cc otherwise.

But Lysander is so sexy.. I haven't actually tried the list out, but if i don't like it i will likely take a librarian for an HQ, but how about Pedro Kantor? and Thanks for the tip about the scouts and Telion, I revised my list.

How about a melt bomb from the sergeant instead of taking the melta gun? + its only 5 pts. So you're saying it'd be a waste to put a PF on the tactical squad?

Powerfists on tactical squads can be very good. I know a lot of people don't like them, mainly because marines are quite poor in CC, but powerfist have save my squads times and times again!

I like Lysander - since you are playing IF, he's fluffy and adds a lot of durability to your army (4 W with Eternal Warrior and 2+/3++ is as good as you can get!).

Was I to play with that army, I would go the aggresive route. Keep the Ironclad (so leave the scouts at home or for higher point value) and go all out on your opponent. As I said before, you should pressure a small portion of the ennemy's army, making sure it is crippled and/or dead. Everything shoudl move forward (except perhaps two combat squad Heavy weapon teams). Anyways, that's what I would do.

Regards!