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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/18 16:16:14
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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My question is, which race relies most on it's individual characters the most ? Thanks
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/18 16:17:13
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Renegade Inquisitor de Marche
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Table top-wise?
SM are fairly dependent on characters in order to have different lists...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/18 17:51:50
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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GK
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/18 17:58:41
Subject: Re:Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Bonkers Buggy Driver with Rockets
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Orks
Reason: KFF Big Mek. I rest my case
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/18 18:53:02
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Dakka Veteran
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Big Mek isn't a special character though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/18 21:16:19
Subject: Re:Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Evasive Pleasureseeker
Lost in a blizzard, somewhere near Toronto
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Daemons.
Without cheap Heralds of Tzeentch, our anti-tank would be limited to just;
- 1 BS3 S8/ap1 Bolt of Tzeentch per pink horror squad
- 1 BS3 S10/ap1 Tounge per soul grinder
- 1 BS5 S8/ap1 Bolt of Tzeentch per daemon prince
Oh, and those last two share the heavy support slots.
In an edition that gives huge benifits to MSU mech lists, daemons can't compete without Tzheralds who at least provide the option for upto 4 BS4 anti-tank shots that can move as jetbikes. The rest of our anti-tank options are stuck at moving only 6" turn, or else paying 30 skaven slaves to give a prince wings!
And yes, flamers can also upgrade one model to use bolt, for the low-low cost of just 15 skaven slaves while also wasting the entire unit's breath of chaos shots.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/18 21:38:17
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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With the current Minidex, I'd have to say SoB.
It literally makes no sense whatsoever to not field Saint Celestine or the so-called Uriahbomb - you'd just be gimping yourself, with an army that isn't really "OP" to begin with if you get my drift.
Uriah over a normal Confessor is a no-brainer, and the Canoness has lost so many things that her only purpose now would be to unlock a Command Squad that isn't really useful anyways.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 04:09:33
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Confessor Of Sins
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Lynata wrote:With the current Minidex, I'd have to say SoB.
It literally makes no sense whatsoever to not field Saint Celestine or the so-called Uriahbomb - you'd just be gimping yourself, with an army that isn't really "OP" to begin with if you get my drift.
Uriah over a normal Confessor is a no-brainer, and the Canoness has lost so many things that her only purpose now would be to unlock a Command Squad that isn't really useful anyways.
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I tried a list without either of them once. I found myself completely unable to deal with my opponent's Space Marine Captain and his Command Squad, or her Assault Squad, both of which ended up slaughtering unit after unit in the first round or two of melee combat. I lost badly, and throughout the whole game I felt completely helpless. Sometimes I like it when bedroom activities with Master make me feel that way, but I don't like it at the tabletop.
It's actually a large part of my occasional urges to go back to using the 3e Witch Hunters dex - though reading Dakka posts about Sisters of Battle is usually the cause of considering it in the first place.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 04:17:44
Subject: Re:Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
The oceans of the world
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Right now, maybe necrons for their Trazyn or Imohtek(Probably spelled that wrong)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 09:46:20
Subject: Re:Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
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I would say that Necrons are the LEAST character-dependent, considering the best HQ option is the generic Overlord.
Most dependent? Grey Knights.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 09:55:57
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Been Around the Block
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SoB.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 10:45:33
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Norn Queen
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DE are fairly dependant in terms of pulling off some of their tricks and capabilities, Duke, Vect etc.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 11:58:30
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Nurgle Chosen Marine on a Palanquin
Dumbarton, Scotland
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Yeah, DE are up there, with the Duke, the Baron etc.
SoBs would be screwed without Celestine or Uriah.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 12:59:57
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Hauptmann
In the belly of the whale.
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Eldar. A Farseer is pretty much mandatory for most tactics to be pulled off. And generally, Eldrad does it better.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 13:56:49
Subject: Re:Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
Portsmouth
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I think any kind of SM chapter is dependant on their individual Characters and hero's
In fact the SM in general are Top heavy on Individual Characters and sometimes the outcome of a Battle intself rests on the Character surviving...in my opinion
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 14:07:25
Subject: Re:Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Eternally-Stimulated Slaanesh Dreadnought
rainbow dashing to your side
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for me its GK as without draigo or coteaz I just have a lot of elite choices and 15 termys XD
out of all the dex's I would have to say sisters. I never leave home without celestine if I'm using SoB
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 14:47:59
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Been Around the Block
Kwinana, Western Australia
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Vote 1 for Eldar. Eldrad is needed more than ever to make up for the current codex's shortcomings, while Yriel is the most affordable option for reliably killing MCs in assault.
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Iyanden 2500 pts
Necrons 2500 pts
"CHEESE!" is the battlecry of the ill-prepared. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 14:58:40
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Lord of the Fleet
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Grey Knights, both of their main, most competitive builds are based on characters manupilating of the FOC chart.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 15:30:13
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Steadfast Ultramarine Sergeant
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I'd say SM, I can't remember the last time I saw a SM without a special character of some kind or another. Bring back the days when SC were 1,500 point games plus only. And some were 2,000 plus.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 17:04:13
Subject: Re:Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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azazel the cat wrote:I would say that Necrons are the LEAST character-dependent, considering the best HQ option is the generic Overlord.
Most dependent? Grey Knights.
I agree here. I can't think of the last time I've seen a competitive GK build without Coteaz, Draigo, or Crowe. Not to say they aren't out there, I just haven't seen one that I can remember.
SM are right up there with GK, requiring special characters to unlock rules for their army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 22:03:15
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Wouldn't it be tyranids, since without synapse your army can't do anything at all?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 22:16:43
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Terminator with Assault Cannon
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purplefood wrote:Table top-wise?
SM are fairly dependent on characters in order to have different lists...
Vanilla marines without Special Characters are not competitive. It's not that marines suck, its more that every other armies special rules let's them do things you will find very hard to counter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 22:51:51
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Nihilistic Necron Lord
The best State-Texas
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Kevlar wrote:Wouldn't it be tyranids, since without synapse your army can't do anything at all?
Yes, but you can get synapse in every FoC slot, not just the HQ.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/01/19 23:21:34
Subject: Which race is most Character dependant ?
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Been Around the Block
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I vote Marines...
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