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Im having a dilemma what to start collecting...I know most of the basic fluff and what the armies are about and I can't decide ! WAAA

Obviously you want to start Orks.

I always consider several points when picking up a new faction or a new game:

1) Aesthetics.

Even if you're not a big painter, like me, you're going to spend a lot of time staring at your own minis. Make sure you like them. If you are a big painter, really make sure that you enjoy and could be inspired by the style of your faction.

2) Play Style

What do you like?

If you don't know what you like, borrow some armies at a game night and try some short games. THat should give you an idea or two.

3) Fluff

This is pretty self-explanatory. Which army seems neat? Whose victories could you celebrate? Whose defeats will you sympathize with?

So far, this has led me to the Tau, the Blood Angels, Cygnar, Everblight, and Lizardmen (roughly in that order).

My frist army was the one i got from the starter set. At the time Nids, luckly I liked them. If I'd gotten the marines I would have played marines first.
Second I tried eldar because they looked prety but I did not do research so that venture failed. I started chaos because I was sick of fighting marines (not sure my logic on that choice). Then I decided that I should make a white scars army because they always looked cool but never seemed worth the money but what the hell I figured, lets waste some money on somthing pretty.
So to you I say find somthing you think is pretty/cool and play that. Ensure that you enjoy the lore of what you are playing and research the play styles avialable to you.

Me?
Gabriel Angelos and first Dawn of War was more then enough to get me like the Marines.
After i meet the 40k world in general I saw where my duties lay and side myself with the forces of the Imeprium.

AS for you, it really depends on what you like.But giving your profile photo and your signature I am 140% sure the Orks are army for you.

Im still choosing mine lol so i won't be much help.

Brother Coa wrote:Me?
Gabriel Angelos and first Dawn of War was more then enough to get me like the Marines.
After i meet the 40k world in general I saw where my duties lay and side myself with the forces of the Imeprium.

AS for you, it really depends on what you like.But giving your profile photo and your signature I am 140% sure the Orks are army for you.

TBH i used to play orks like 4 years ago but they are left home (different country) and besides, I want to try something new than orks.

Then that all depends on what you like.

If you love the army take Guard.

If you like knight and heroes take Marines.

If you like being evil take Chaos or Dark Eldar.

If you love anime, manga, robotics, Japanese and technology take Tau.

It really depend's on your taste the most.

The dark angels fluff always tend to pull me back to the unforgiven.

Just go with the one you like the look of the most. There must be one of them that stands out to you?

First i chose aesthetics - 3rd ed csm who unfortunately got a pretty severe nerf bat.
Sold them and got nids for the same reason they then right after starting them got a severe nerfing as well.
finally i said feck it and got a melta vet leaf blower list and have never been more satisfied. I hated the models though so i bought death korps and painted them like steel legion.

Go for how competitive the army is imo. I went for aesthetics twice and was dissappointed. Find a rape tourney list and make that you'll have more fun winning sometimes than losing all the time.

For the price of the gak and how much time you invest painting basing and assembling you should most definately get a good army you'll use rather than be unhappy losing with. Its not a hobby - its an investment.

I chose on Aesthetics and Theme. Remember that rules will come and go, but you still have to enjoy the look and feel of your models years down the road.


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michaelcycle wrote:Go for how competitive the army is imo. I went for aesthetics twice and was dissappointed. Find a rape tourney list and make that you'll have more fun winning sometimes than losing all the time.

Not sure what kind of events you go to, but that sounds distinctly illegal. How does the judging work anyways?

Practically any army can be competitive with practice and honing, but if you can't stand how it looks or can't bring yourself to play it, you won't be happy.

My first army was for the aesthetics of the army (models/fluff). My second was because of the capabilities of certain units. My third was for play style, and certain meta considerations (like how long it would take to pack/unpack).

Ailaros wrote:(like how long it would take to pack/unpack).

Oh, yeah.. That is a good one. don't pick an infantry heavy army if you are a slow player or don't like putting models in and out of their cases.

I joined tyranids because I saw a painted trygon and fell in love. I also saw gargoyles but I did not look to closely and thought they were flying skeletons LOL. If you are slow do not choose tyranids because the take ages to unpack. and moving 3 squads of 30 is a bit time consuming in a game.

There were several factors that led to me picking orks. (in no particular order)

1)They aren't space marines. I don't want to play an army that could effectively make me just another face in the power armor crowd.
2) They seem to have many viable army builds (tide, wall, rush, bikes)
3) They have great fluff and high fun aspect in noncompetitive settings and even fun shooting based lists are possible.
4) They are currently half of the black reach starter kit which can be used to help ease the pain of an initial army investment.
5) A very large percentage of the codex units have models available which was a nice plus to me since I'm not great at converting.
6) They are a xenos codex that has been a core to the 40K universe for a very long time and will probably never be neglected by GW

That's all I can think of off the top of my head but I'm sure I could come up with more. WAAAAAGH!

I had each of my friends hold up a sign for each of the armies. I then put on a blindfold and chucked one of the older, metal lawn darts into the air.

I gained an army but lost a friend. Even trade.

True story.

Practically any army can be competitive with practice and honing, but if you can't stand how it looks or can't bring yourself to play it, you won't be happy.

michaelcycle wrote:

pretre wrote:Practically any army can be competitive with practice and honing, but if you can't stand how it looks or can't bring yourself to play it, you won't be happy.

No offense but with the current rules nids arent really competitive nor were necrons until the new book. I just dont want this gentleman to get discouraged as soon as he starts into the hobby and quit.

No offense but there are folks who are and were successful with both the new nids and the old necrons. Rules change, but whether you can stand the look of your army doesn't.

No lie vanilla marines with tac squads and some extra regular land raiders etc won a tourney recently (hard to believe) but he was a seasoned vet (bs 4 lol). For a beginner you should read up on whats good and make an army around that and current meta where you play.

Firstly don't buy anything until 6th is released because its going to change a lot.

`Well Im deciding between Necrons and Eldar currently. If anyone wants to comment on my thoughts, I'd be grateful. Also feel free to correct me on any point, if IM wrong. Here's my considerations:

Necronses:
+ Awesome, superior firepower
+Forgiving
+ Shouldn't be too frustrating
- Painting options seem very limited
- Souless warriors.... duh, boring
- From what I heard, the Characters are quite weak
- No Battleforce ( makes it a bit harder to start collecting)

Eldarses
+/- Challenging to play
+ Has a battleforce
+ A lot of painting options
- Unforgiving if you make mistakes

michaelcycle wrote: For a beginner you should read up on whats good and make an army around that and current meta where you play.

So basically, even though he's brand new, we expect him to sort through all the dross on the internet and make an assumption about what the best army is for his local meta (based on his extensive knowledge of 40k)? Come on, give me a break.

Let the guy pick an army he likes and work up from there. I didn't say anything in his first post that said 'I need an army to win all the tournaments!!!'.

Firstly don't buy anything until 6th is released because its going to change a lot.

Okay, your advice is just getting worse and worse. "don't buy anything until 6th is released"? Because as soon as 6th is released, we will instantly know what is good and what is bad. I heard there will in fact be a pamphlet released with the new edition that tells you to just throw out the following units if you own them.

I know I'm being OTT but the guy is just getting into the game. Don't put all of the internet pressure to be the awesomz on him.


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Metal_days wrote:Necronses:
+ Awesome, superior firepower
+Forgiving
+ Shouldn't be too frustrating
- Painting options seem very limited
- Souless warriors.... duh, boring
- From what I heard, the Characters are quite weak
- No Battleforce ( makes it a bit harder to start collecting)

Necrons have awesome close range firepower and are somewhat forgiving. Painting options aren't as bad as any marine chapter. You get one main scheme and stick with it. They also gained quite a bit of flavor and character in the new codex. I imagine a battleforce will come along soon enough. Also, characters are not necessarily weak, they are just not OMG Close Combat beatsticks. They are a bit more subtle.

Eldarses
+/- Challenging to play
+ Has a battleforce
+ A lot of painting options
- Unforgiving if you make mistakes

Failing an update to the codex, Eldar have a tendency to be overcosted. You can be successful with them, but it is more difficult. Eldar also tend to be a TAAC army (tie at all costs) in some list variants. That being said, they have great fluff, can make a very vibrant army and can their highspeed play makes them ideal for some players.

If you play crons get scarabs.

Eldar need a dex update. You can spam wave serpents filled with avengers and fire dragons for a pretty decent castle parking lot list. Spamming their str 6 weapons on the vehicles rules you cant pop raiders but raiders are over priced transports anyway and you can just melt em with your dragons.

3 serpents full of dragons. 3 full of avengers. One with farseer and council or just avengers depending on if you have the points or even want a deathstar unit. Yuriel is annoying too. Then take a fire prism or 2 holofielded. Pretty annoying melta proof list.

As well, it is harder to make a bad purchase for Necrons, where as with Eldar, some models are just not that useful in most army lists.

Well the only thing holding me back from Necronses is the lack of melee...

I chose Sisters of Battle because I like the miniatures' aesthetics. ^_^ Probably the same reason I choose to play female characters in videogames if I have a choice. I would've picked them up years before I actually did, except back then, their squad box cost two-thirds-again as much as a Tactical Marine box - 50 dollars compared to 30. When I started getting them, they were only one-quarter-again as much as a Tactical Marine box - 50 dollars compared to 40 - so the price was much easier to justify internally in comparison to expanding my other armies.

The whole holy warrior theme is also one I greatly enjoy. Plus it lends inspiration to the minirants I like to do IRL and on the Internet, where I talk about destroying enemies and annihilating worlds. Being able to add in a bit of Ecclesiarchial flair really helped with that.

I enjoyed painting them a lot, as their power armor was more interesting after 5-6 years of painting Space Marines. More details and insignia, compared to the flat, boring plain armor surfaces of vanilla Marines - but when I started painting Space Marines, I enjoyed that because it was easier to paint after painting loads of Catachans and maybe even some Cadians - can't remember if I got any Cadians before selling my IG to get more Marines.

The past couple of months, I've been dithering on whether or not to start a Dark Eldar army. I liked the models - specifically the Wyches and Warriors - but I dislike heavily mechanized forces, and transport vehicles seem rather necessary for a Dark Eldar force to work when using lots of those units, so that turned me off from the whole thing.

Well, if you're not a total enemy of proxies - borrow/downoad all the codexes and play every race 1-2-3 times - you'll get some experience as player, will be able to choose what you like and will know what to expect from enemies. Well, works with me, at least.

Metal_days wrote:`Well Im deciding between Necrons and Eldar currently.

Firstly, I think you may be overestimating necron shooting, and secondly, the eldar battleforce is pretty crappy.

We could help you choose your army better if you gave us some more abstract information to work with. From what you've put down so far, you want an army with good shooting, but at least some CC ability, has nice models, focuses on durability or redundancy, and has nice fluff.

If these are the four main things, then I'd actually suggest guard or ork, with grey knights or dark eldar as a backup.

Without knowing what exactly you're looking for in general, it's hard for us to help you in specific.

Metal_days wrote:Well the only thing holding me back from Necronses is the lack of melee...

Diversified Wraiths (6 with a variety of equipment) plus a Destroyer Lord with Scythe is pretty nasty.
Add a full squad of Scarabs and 3 Spyders and you've got a pretty nasty melee element in any army.

pretre wrote:

Metal_days wrote:Well the only thing holding me back from Necronses is the lack of melee...

Diversified Wraiths (6 with a variety of equipment) plus a Destroyer Lord with Scythe is pretty nasty.
Add a full squad of Scarabs and 3 Spyders and you've got a pretty nasty melee element in any army.

Fair enough !

Firstly, let me repeat I did paint some orks 4 years ago and I liked them, but dont rly want to start gathering them agian, i.e. i want a different army.
I deffo dont wnt humans, no space marines, i.g. nor anything of that sort - the inqusition (Sisters of battle?) was the only thing i was considering, and only for the fluff and the inquisitor model inself. To be honest, I'd prefer a xenos army with a kick ass story/fluff.

Im looking for an army I can rely on, thats not too challenging since I want this to be a hobby.
I want an army that I could play around with art-wise and experiment with paints.

As to the combat style, I guess Im a melee man, just sounds better and more manly than ranged...but thats said in lay terms, so feel free to correct me.