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Hello Dakka!

Our next Warhammer Fantasy Battle tournament is coming up this weekend on Saturday!

Scenarios will be "from the book" with some minor special rules here and there to spice things up. We will be using an 'Ard Boyz style Massacre-Major-Minor-Draw scoring setup. Tiebreakers will be scenario bonus points first, followed by strength of schedule. In the case of an odd number of players, one player per round will get the bye, which will count as a Major victory with no bonuses.

Players will score their opponents on Sportsmanship, Army Composition, and Painting, with a single vote each for Best Painted and Best Sportsman. Painting and Sportsmanship are scored separately from Battle Points for their respective prizes. Composition scoring directly affects Battle Points; a low composition score will result in a Battle Point reduction for the game in question.

Armies will be built to the 2500 point level using the standard army construction rules. Special Characters are not allowed. Players must have at least three legible copies of their army list, either written or printed. One is to be provided to the judge, one for player reference, and one for opponent verification. Lists are not required to be shown to opponents during the game with the exception that when a 'secret' element of the army, or the existence of a certain piece of wargear or magic item, is declared, an opponent can request to see the relevant section of a player's army list to verify.

Armies must be WYSIWYG and comprised primarily of Games Workshop models from the relevant army book. Exceptions are allowed for competent conversion work, if you aren't sure about a piece please contact me so I can take a look at it and decide whether to allow it or not.

I will be keeping strict watch of the round times during the event, and I will be walking around the tables during games to help keep people on track. Games that do not go for a minimum of four full turns will not be scored and count as a loss for both players. Each tournament round will be two hours, fifteen minutes each.

Prizes will depend on the number of players involved; more players equals bigger prizes. The top prize goes to the player with the highest battle points. Best Painted goes to the player with the best-painted army, and the Sportsmanship award goes to the player with the most sportsmanship points.

For the tournament there is a $10 entry (sorry, no store purchase on this one, all the entries go straight into the prize pool!) to play. The doors will be open early for players to come in and get set up. I'd want to kick this one off as close to 10:00am as possible so we don't go too long.

The schedule will stick as closely as possible to the following:

9:00ish - 9:30 - Show up early, get settled in.
9:30am - 10:00 - check-in, sign-up, event preamble, pairings
10:00am - 12:15pm - Round 1
12:15 - 1:00 - Lunch
1:00 - 3:45 - Round 2
4:00 - 6:15 - Round 3
6:30 - Winners announced

You can RSVP on Game Empire's facebook and if you do, you'll get a free candy and soda during the event!

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Game-Empire-Pasadena/106899122689071#!/events/150733881707454/

It all goes down at Game Empire Pasadena:

1795 E. Colorado Blvd.
Pasadena, CA. 91106
626-304-9333
http://www.gameempirepasadena.com

If you have any comments or questions, let me know here or give a call to the store, and hopefully I'll see you there!
-Dis.

Ogres in the house. Come on people make it to this event!

My Ogres are being custom packed by the Battle Foam guys, so I will not be able to use them. Might rock the Bretts or the Night Gobs for this.

bummer about the special characters, but I MIGHT go with my tomb kings!

Have you guys thought about simply making a "ban list" of characters and allowing the more tame ones? I think they can add a lot of flavor to armies.

I've been working on the tournament format for WHFB; the first few tournaments have been strictly no characters but there is definitely the opportunity to relax that in some cases to allow players a bit more variety. Which characters are too much can fade into a big grey area quickly though, so it's something that I'm not quite ready to enact at the moment. Soon though.

Also, to the thread: Fozzrik's Folding Fortress is not allowed. I keep forgetting to note that.

-Dis.

I think if you asked 100 players which special characters should be banned, most of them would have the same 5 guys at the top of their list:

Teclis, Thorek, Kairos, Karl Franz, Vilitch

The bulk of the rest might add Masque, Slug Tongue, and Skarsnict to that list for how they screw with scenarios and certain armies, but really if you ban those first five guys no one would argue it.

Item wise, I would strongly recommend banning the Folding Fortress and possibly the Book of Hoath. Those are the main offenders that everyone agrees on, for the most part.

My groups ban list is a little bigger than that, but it may be too restrictive for building a newer community. I really recommend banning those five guys and those two items, though. They are pretty much all hobby wreckers.

Thanks man, I appreciate it. That has actually been mostly what I've heard, and seen for myself. Those five, plus an additional handful depending on who you're talking to, the Fortress, and the Book, plus a handful of others depending.

I'll be working on our tournament format over the next month or so... Our little tree around here has finally grown up enough that I can prune a bit here and there.

Regardless, tomorrow should be a good event, and I'm looking forward to a good turnout.

While there are some S.C's that actually provide some variety, it seems that adding them opens a flood gate.

if there's some that are just 'too powerful' and others that are borderline, it means picking and choosing the SCs. Which can lead to some people being miffed. Some one could be irked that their SC is left out and that someone elses is left in.

above poster had it right on the point about 'hobby breakers'. Tecilis and that ilk should never be brought out.

Some armies are far more competitive and don't need special characters that only enhances their 'elite' nature. (caydran, time warden, etc)

It's a rough road, full of people asking questions and people getitng butthurt that theirs isn't available. I'm all for leaving them out, as i'd rather everyone be forced to actually create their own unique or fun lists.

The one exception I see is a SC that makes something CORE.
ie: Hellibron making witch elves core. Ghorros making Centigor Core (heh)

Either way, see ya'll Saturday

I bet the ogre players are bemoaning the fact that they can't bring gutsman... Some SCs are so bad that they should be able to take them for free...lol.