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Hi all. Do vortexes count as ranged attacks. Ive checked brb and can't find anything that defines RANGED.

Did the attack occur in base contact? If not then it occurred *at range*

khsofsos wrote:Hi all. Do vortexes count as ranged attacks. Ive checked brb and can't find anything that defines RANGED.

It depends on what you are referring to. For the most part the answer is no, magical vortexes aren't ranged attacks. Most shooting attacks and Magic Missiles are ranged attacks. Other than that you will have to be more specific on which rule or item you're referring to.

Slann Mage plaque of something. Increases ward save against ranged attacks. Big difference between 4+ ward and 2+ ward.

Anything that doesn't happen in CC, or is explicitly stated as being a ranged attack, is a Ranged Attack.

So spells that cause wounds will be a ranged attack. Spells that cause Characteristic tests or die arn't ranged attacks as they never cause wounds.

I found this little rule useful.
Page 41, bottom right in the box.
Automatic Hits
Some unusual attacks (most commonly those made by magic missile spells - see page 31) hit automatically. Where this is the case, it is exactly how it sounds - do not roll for the attack, it instead automatically causes the number of hits stated within the wording.


This is helpful, as it is the only rule that clearly states that a spell (magic missile) is an attack.
Now, for other spells like a vortex, direct damage or hex, it's a tough call if it is a ranged attacked.

Wind of Undeath is a vortex that causes hits for units it passes through.
Curse of Years is a hex that wounds models in the unit.
Would you get the 2+ ward save vs ranged attacks against these?
What about a failed dangerous terrain test?

IMO, you can't split everything into just ranged and close combat, as dangerous terrain causes wounds as well, and that doesn't really fit into ranged or close combat.

-Matt

IMO only a Magic Missle is a ranged attack when it comes ot magic. Vortexs just happen to hit you, hexs are not a attack.

Johnny-Crass wrote:IMO only a Magic Missle is a ranged attack when it comes ot magic. Vortexs just happen to hit you, hexs are not a attack.

I believe this is correct.

What of direct damage spells?
Chainlightning for example is most certainly a ranged attack.

In the old edition anything that wasn't a wound done in close combat was ranged and the books were written for this. The intent of the rule is a ward save vs anything not done in close combat.

What about banshee screams in base to base contact. I believe it's still ranged just very very small range

Johnny-Crass wrote:IMO only a Magic Missle is a ranged attack when it comes ot magic. Vortexs just happen to hit you, hexs are not a attack.

That's how I would play it.