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So I based my list around this one : http://space-wolves-grey.blogspot.com/2010/03/1500pts-space-wolves-grand-tournament.html

[/b]HQ

-Rune Priest : Chooser, Living Lightning, JotWW

-Rune Priest : Living Ligthning, Tempest

-Wolf Guard Battle Leader : Frost Blade, Wolftooth, Wolf Tail Talisman, Saga of the Beast Slayer

[b]Elite

-3x Wolf Guard : 3x Combi-Melta, 3x Power Fist (for GH squad)

Troops

-6x GH : Melta, Wolf Standard, MoW (second rune priest goes here)
Rhino

-7x GH : Melta, Wolf Standard, MoW (first rune priest goes here)
Rhino

-7x GH : Melta, Wolf Standard, MoW (Wolf Guard Battle Leader goes here)
Rhino

Heavy Support

-5x LF : 4x ML

-5x LF : 4x ML

-5x LF : 4x ML

Fast Attack

-LandSpeeder Typhoon : Multi-Melta

-LandSpeeder Typhoon : Multi-Melta

Total : 1499/1500 pts

So the 3 GH squad go forward, the RP using Living Lightning to clear a path actross swarms (if there is any), while the LF and Typhoon cover from afar. Pretty simple. What do you think of it?

Looks solid.. TBH i would drop the wolf guard battle leader and take another Rune Priest or make another GH squad. Try this list.

HQ

-Rune Priest : Chooser, Living Lightning, JotWW

-Rune Priest : Melta Bombs Living Ligthning, Tempest

-Rune Priest : Living Lightning, Murderous Hurricane

Elite

-3x Wolf Guard : 3x Combi-Melta, 3x Power Fist (for GH squad)

Troops

-7x GH : Melta, Wolf Standard, MoW
Rhino

-7x GH : Melta, Wolf Standard, MoW
Rhino

-7x GH : Melta, Wolf Standard, MoW
Rhino

Fast Attack

-LandSpeeder Typhoon : Multi-Melta, Typhoon Missile Launcher

-LandSpeeder Typhoon : Multi-Melta, Typhoon Missile Launcher

Heavy Support

-5x LF : 4x ML

-5x LF : 4x ML

-5x LF : 4x ML


Total : 1499 pts.

seems awesome. I knew however someone would ask me to remove the WG BL to replace him by a RP. Let's all be honest here : RP are the best HQ choice for Space Wolves, and we should all fill in as many as we can. However I wanted to use a WG BL instead of a 3rd RP for originality... and because I like the idea of having one leading one of my GH squad fluffwise


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3 Rune Priests is pretty overkill to be honest and they aren't as awesome as they used to be.

With that said, it may be wiser to drop the third Priest and make use of one of the better units in our Codex: Wolf Scouts. They'll help break up castles and dig in deep as ticks in the side of your opponent until he deals with them.

Yeah, Wolf Scouts would give you some tactical options and they normally scare the opponent. In fact, the opponent will eventually react to their appearance behind his lines - good for you.

Well the point of this list is to put as much anti armor out as possible.. but the one thing you must worry about is the fact that the long fangs will be a target for outflanking, and deep-striking units.

Bleh more Long Fang spam.

Do yourself a favor and play something fun and interesting. You will enjoy the game a lot more. Or play an army where it is fluffy to have tons of psykers and missile launchers.

Bongfu wrote:Bleh more Long Fang spam.

Do yourself a favor and play something fun and interesting. You will enjoy the game a lot more. Or play an army where it is fluffy to have tons of psykers and missile launchers.

You know what... You are totally right about this one. For far too long have we been restrained by the meta-gaming and the need of being competitive. I am on your side for this one!

Bongfu wrote:Bleh more Long Fang spam.

Do yourself a favor and play something fun and interesting. You will enjoy the game a lot more. Or play an army where it is fluffy to have tons of psykers and missile launchers.

Gunnar Red Moon
"The Wolfe of the Red Moon is a terrible god of vengeance in Fenrisian society; a great skeletal beast that prowls the seven hells, eternally devouring the bodies of the unworthy and yet never growing fat. The Wolfe Lord who bears it as his personal symbol, on the other hand, is as broad as a menhir. A roaring, laughing, bear of a man, Gunnar favours his Long Fangs more than most, for he reasons that veterans make the best companions in the feast hall as well as upon the battlefield. A great teller of tall stories, Gunnar took the Red Moon as his symbol after the invasion of Bal'yth's Orb, where he claims to have killed so many Eldar that their blood stained the planet crimson."

Sounds like Long Fang spam is pretty fluffy to me.

I would probably drop the extra Rune Priest and change the Typhoons to standard melta speeders, freeing up enough points for another troop choice.

azazel the cat wrote:

Bongfu wrote:Bleh more Long Fang spam.

Do yourself a favor and play something fun and interesting. You will enjoy the game a lot more. Or play an army where it is fluffy to have tons of psykers and missile launchers.

Gunnar Red Moon
"The Wolfe of the Red Moon is a terrible god of vengeance in Fenrisian society; a great skeletal beast that prowls the seven hells, eternally devouring the bodies of the unworthy and yet never growing fat. The Wolfe Lord who bears it as his personal symbol, on the other hand, is as broad as a menhir. A roaring, laughing, bear of a man, Gunnar favours his Long Fangs more than most, for he reasons that veterans make the best companions in the feast hall as well as upon the battlefield. A great teller of tall stories, Gunnar took the Red Moon as his symbol after the invasion of Bal'yth's Orb, where he claims to have killed so many Eldar that their blood stained the planet crimson."

Sounds like Long Fang spam is pretty fluffy to me.

When GW released a Gunnar Red Moon character, I will say "Go ahead, make a Gunnar Red Moon Company." But so far we only have two completely fluffy companies you can make, Grimnar's and Blackmane's. Grimnar is probably suppose to be an all rounder, seeing how we do not have much information on his great company. If we knew what kind of company he served in before his ascendancy to the Great Wolf we could get a better idea. Blackmane favors Bloodclaws, but no one seems to think Bloodclaws are at all worth it so typically you do not see this kind of army.

I am not saying you can't play your army how you want or use characters as other characters. Hell I even do it. I'm just offering my advice as a long time player. I had a competitive side once, I copied net list and did what everyone told me. Then I realized I wasn't having fun playing the same boring list over and over. I eventually became a hobby player and now I can field just about every unit in my armies' codices. I have a lot more fun playing the game now than I ever did using net list and what was considered "best".

Razorback, Runepriest, and Long Fang spam are the current flavor of Space Wolves. I play those players all the time in the shop. I see their unchanging armies day in and day out.

You know what?

I beat those armies now, because I throw a wrench in their machine. Go ahead, take Long Fang, Lasplas, Runepriest Spam. Ill take two hundred guardsmen with plasma guns and heavy weapons. Or if I really want to be mean, Ill run up to ninety bloodclaws. There is no way they can beat that, because their list are design to fight other accepted competitive list.

You seem legitimately offended here, and that confuses me. I understand that you are frustrated when you see players building lists with lots of Long Fangs, because it is a very strong list that scales up or down very easily. But that does not change the fact that the original point was that there is a 'fluff' precedent in the SW codex for fielding lots of Long Fangs. Whether or not there is a model of Gunnar Red Moon is irrelevant.

It's futile to whine about the fact that not every player (myself included) gives two s about the 'fluff'. I'm not a WAAC player by any means, but I would rather play against a WAAC player (whom I simply deem to be a strong competitor) than a whiner that thinks we're re-enacting something from a Black Library book (because unlike the WAAC types, this latter group is just irritating).

azazel the cat wrote:You seem legitimately offended here, and that confuses me. I understand that you are frustrated when you see players building lists with lots of Long Fangs, because it is a very strong list that scales up or down very easily. But that does not change the fact that the original point was that there is a 'fluff' precedent in the SW codex for fielding lots of Long Fangs. Whether or not there is a model of Gunnar Red Moon is irrelevant.

It's futile to whine about the fact that not every player (myself included) gives two s about the 'fluff'. I'm not a WAAC player by any means, but I would rather play against a WAAC player (whom I simply deem to be a strong competitor) than a whiner that thinks we're re-enacting something from a Black Library book (because unlike the WAAC types, this latter group is just irritating).

I'm not whining by any stretch. I was just saying that people should field armies to their taste rather than someone else's. I think I made it pretty clear that I don't mind playing net list players because I have found their armies rather dull and easy to beat with the right tactics. If you don't care about the story of warhammer and want to design your list to be something that spams the best units of the given codex, then by all means do it. You are probably the majority of the wargamers that buy from GW and who arguably keep them in business.

However, I am involved in a campaign that has made some pretty basic rules preventing most net list from being fielded. It has been a learning experience for the major tournament players in our club and a fun retreat for the others. All agree, though, that it has been some of the best games of 40k in their lives. It is always fun to play interesting list and units you rarely see, especially when you limit yourself to the competitive aspects of 40k.

I'm not whining by any stretch. I was just saying that people should field armies to their taste rather than someone else's. I think I made it pretty clear that I don't mind playing net list players because I have found their armies rather dull and easy to beat with the right tactics. If you don't care about the story of warhammer and want to design your list to be something that spams the best units of the given codex, then by all means do it. You are probably the majority of the wargamers that buy from GW and who arguably keep them in business.

However, I am involved in a campaign that has made some pretty basic rules preventing most net list from being fielded. It has been a learning experience for the major tournament players in our club and a fun retreat for the others. All agree, though, that it has been some of the best games of 40k in their lives. It is always fun to play interesting list and units you rarely see, especially when you limit yourself to the competitive aspects of 40k.

If the guys wants to play fluffy he would have posted a fluffy list.

I personally have fluffy, cool, and competitive armies.

I don't mind playing net list players because I have found their armies rather dull and easy to beat with the right tactics.

If you play against someone who actully knows their tactics and not a noob who just stole a net list, then I doubt you will win against it because he will be able outshoot, out assualt you (if your playing your fluffy list)

The OP is definatly trying to play competitively or just starting out try to have a nice army that can be expanded on. He can do his fluffy lists later.

Why do you keep using the word spam. Why don't we talk to eachother using normal words. I think the list is nice. I personally get away with using 2squads of LF.

Khornate25 wrote:seems awesome. I knew however someone would ask me to remove the WG BL to replace him by a RP. Let's all be honest here : RP are the best HQ choice for Space Wolves, and we should all fill in as many as we can. However I wanted to use a WG BL instead of a 3rd RP for originality... and because I like the idea of having one leading one of my GH squad fluffwise

To be honest, there is a time and a place to take a WGBL. More than 2 Rune Priests is generally overkill. To me, its a diminishing return each time you take a Rune Priest. One is mandatory. Two is mean but can be fun. Three is generally cruel and unnecessary and don't get me started about the people that take 4.

If it were me, I'd keep the WGBL. Fluff reasons can be fun, but really I'd want him for his Initiative 5 attacks. Look at your army. Its all I4. There are a lot of I5 and I6 nasties out there you don't want touching you. There is a reason for that. Its nice to be able to bring your own I5 guy to take out a few I4 guys before they get to attack your I4 guys.

Think about it, Marine vs Marine. You charge into a Blood Angels assault squad. You have your 8-10 guys and they have their 8-10 guys. Getting 5 attacks that hit on 3+, wound on 2+ and don't allow saves means you are facing (statistically) 3 less marines in combat. Doesn't sound like a lot? You just dropped the enemy's strength 30-38%, meaning your Grey Hunters are more likely to be a live.

If the points weren't so tight already I'd give the Saga of the Beastslayer to one of the Rune Priests and take Saga of the Warrior Born on the Wolf Guard. He'll be cutting through enemy units pretty solidly.


Honestly though, its a 1500 point list. I wouldn't be bringing 3 HQs and I wouldn't be bringing 3 Long Fangs. I might consider dropping one of the Land Speeders and I'd probably only be bringing 3 Grey Hunter packs, but I'd fill them out to 8 man and grab a Power Weapon as well. I would be bringing TL Lascannon Razorbacks and a 6th body for the Long Fangs.

Should put you right at 1499 again. You can take a few more punches, hit harder in combat (overall), will have heavy weapons setup faster in Dawn of War, and have more reliable anti-tank for AV13/14. You trade the WGBL for more Grey Hunters and power weapons, and a Land Speeder MM/HF and 3 ML to gain two TL-LC Razorbacks.