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HQ
Emperors Champion w/ATWDTW - 110

ELITES
5 Terminators w/TH and 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers - 265
5 Terminators w/TH, and 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers - 265

TROOPS
5 Man Crusader Squad w/LC, PG, Rhino - 151
5 Man Crusader Squad w/LC, PG, Rhino - 151
5 Man Crusader Squad w/LC, PG, Rhino - 151
5 Man Crusader Squad w/LC, PG, 101

FAST ATTACK
2 Typhoon Speeders - 140
2 Typhoon Speeders - 140
2 Typhoon Speeders - 140

HEAVY SUPPORT
Auto/Las Pred w/Smoke - 128
Auto/Las Pred w/Smoke - 128
Auto/Las Pred w/Smoke - 128

I like. Maybe find room for the Marshall, Ld10 is a nice extra.

Don't think you can combine THs with cyclone missle launchers for BT.

TH stands for Tank Hunters. Its a special skill that I can give them.

Love the army list i have one just like it the only difference is i have only three squads of Initiates and i drop the rhinos and PG and pick up another squad of terminators. Ive been playing it a while and i still havent had any issues with it. the only real issue is objectives i can normally keep one and i use the landspeeeders to contest last turn. other than that love it dont change a thing xcpt maybe less troops but people will argue that point too

Would dropping a predetor for a PoTMS vindicator be good or bad?

Just one Vindicator will get destroy almost instantly lol. right now ur list looks awesome theres great antihorde and anti tank. U will have issues against a deathwing army but who doesnt. If you reli want a PoTMS Vindicator drop a rhino and make two of em Vindicators they still will probli get shot at fast but you should get one maybe two shoots b4 the gun gets destroyed or the vehicle gets destroyed. Personaly i dont run vindicators in my shooty lists they are more of an assault vehicle for the way we use em moving em up the field with some rhinos(for assualt) no only can they quite literaly form a shield for them but they absorb alot of fire too depending on what ur trying to do. Im sure you have already played with this list b4 but just a suggestion a HM is pretty good too, dont forget we have to take LDR check to shoot at targets not closest to us which against an experienced player can throw you off. Me personally i dont but i have perfected my game play with my army lists.

Note: Our Ven Dreads are beastly too with TL LC, ML and TH cheap 185 points.

There are nice number of ap2 weapons in the list so deathwing isn't such an issue: a little tip is to use frags against termies.

lol sorry im commenting on 3 different BT lists lol i messed that post up. But Deathwing still will always pose a problem for BT just the sheer numbers of SS/TH plus CML are impressive.

Okay, I was just able to purchase/trade for more termies and cyclones so I changed the list a little.

HQ
Emperors Champion w/ATWDTW - 110

ELITES
5 Terminators w/TH and 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers - 265
5 Terminators w/TH, and 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers - 265
5 Terminators w/TH, and 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers - 265

TROOPS
5 Man Crusader Squad w/LC, PG, Rhino - 151
5 Man Crusader Squad w/LC, PG, Rhino - 151
5 Man Crusader Squad w/LC, 2 Neophytes - 105

FAST ATTACK
2 Typhoon Speeders - 140
2 Typhoon Speeders - 140
2 Typhoon Speeders - 140

HEAVY SUPPORT
Auto/Las Pred w/Smoke - 128
Auto/Las Pred w/Smoke - 128